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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Are you so sure about that? Quite. Very unimpressed with rumors of what is being suggested for this coming one. This was covered in the Jury ruling I believe. An International Jury is convened for an Event, they are required to treat the whole Event the same. Being that ACWS & AC were under the same Jury as part of the same Event, penalties are equal for both. If you wanted ACWS to be not under the same Jury you specifically don't include it in the Protocol or you specify that it is to be considered by the Jury to be a separate event for purposes of penalties etc. This is how prelim series have always been. Separate. Until Larryvision chucked it into the Protocol and then Oracle got hoist for cheating in the prelim series. Tough shit. Own fault. Should have kept it. Separate.
  2. The intent at the time of the Protocol was that the ACWS would become much more than it wound up being. ACWS scoring was supposed to impact at least the LVC. The fact that only 3 teams actually turned up for LVC caused that part of ACWS to be scrapped doesn't scrap the fact the intent was to have ACWS be integral to the AC. I'm hard pressed to understand how you still haven't got it into your thick head that the Protocol was written by Oracle giving ACWS equal billing to the actual AC and operating under the AC Jury -> the Jury was forced by Oracles' own Protocol to treat this cheating by Oracle in the AC45 whose rules were written by Oracle as if it was cheating in the AC. The fact that it was Oracle who was hoist by its own petard makes it delicious. If there is truth to rumors above that the ridiculous delay coming out with new rules is in some way related to Oracle trying to have no ISAF involvement then I'm even more unimpressed with Oracle. Is Blackball still an option for competitors in non ISAF sanctioned events? Well said.
  3. Bravo Artemis, http://youtu.be/4pNvOOjhRvM Bravo.
  4. I don't think its a given that this has been more extreme testing than others. I thought the gist of the 'give AR your load cases' was that others had been doing much more thorough testing than Artemis had done.
  5. Not strictly true. I believe they did these things right: Early wing on modified ORMA Hired in LP & NO AC45 foiler Changing colour scheme to Swedish Royal Blue Though in writing that, they all have either turned out badly or are late fixes for poor choices earlier
  6. Yes, my bad I had it in my mind they had missed LR vs Artemis somewhere in there. But that was this morning & LR were certainly there for it.
  7. LR on the water is the most emphatic response possible after not showing up for their first 2 races.
  8. Great post in whole & I'm sad to say it but really Artemis should have withdrawn at the point they knew they couldn't make any more than 2 or 3 of the first races. Its worse than that. They have the join further inboard on boat 2 than on boat 1. But even worse than that, right where the boat1 Main beam broke they have a fucking huge inspection hatch. No sane engineer puts a big hole at the max bending point like that (pic from http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup:-Artemis-Racing-emerges-from-the-shed---First-images/111779 I don't normally post the hi-res from there because they go to some length to hide it but seriously you gotta see this to believe it) ETNZ publicly admitted they foil on day 5, they got busted with a big sequence foiling up the harbour past the CBD on day 4 but I believe the rumor started & the first 'photoshop' pic was day 3. Meanwhile Oracle day 2 was light wind with stumpy and the foil that didn't break on day 1, no way they foiled that day. First galloping jalopy pics/footage was with the rebuilt DZ foil which I think was day 4.
  9. So in that scan of the agreement it says the agreement exists as long as the Laser is an International class under ILYA. Couldn't ISAF just de-register Laser as an International class for a short period, finalise their dirty deal with Laser Performance/ILCA or whatever they are trying to do & then re-register Laser as an International class again under a new agreement?
  10. Oh fail my bad Terry had posted that a day before me.
  11. Not sure if this is the right place? Details of coverage cameras etc http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Americas-Cup:-Television-deals,-details--and-conflict-revealed/109260
  12. You can see a diver in KGO TV footage. Right at the start they have taken a few guys off, rest standing on bowsprit. RIB drifts closer & you see the diver hop out onto the Y beam. I thought he had hopped out of the RIB onto the Y & sat there for no obvious reason but watching again, there is no sign of him coming out of the boat -> was already down there before the footage starts & I think he got out to avoid getting squished by the RIB. There is a while where he is sitting on the beam while the RIB repositions but he goes under again when the RIB comes in & takes everyone else off from a safer angle.
  13. Terrible terrible tragedy And just when Artemis was looking sorted. Pic of the royal blue hulls with the three crowns looks really nice.
  14. I have not exactly been following this & frankly I actually really dislike the Laser, its a blight on sailing in my opinion. But from what I've seen its really quite bizzare & outrageous that ISAF is not supporting Kirby here. This is my understanding: Kirby design Design is licensed to be built by a builder with royalties for each boat going to Kirby No sign of design being vested in class association or otherwise lost by Kirby Builder stops paying royalties (why do they think they can do that?) Kirby revokes license & assigns new builder who agrees to pay royalties ISAF & class association backs the old builder???!!!
  15. Wow that shit is insane O_O