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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. In your first post you say you live east of Tahoe. But your location and later posts indicate a fair bit west of Tahoe. Makes a difference... I live a fair bit north of Reno, and occasionally hear sonic booms. But I can also sometimes hear the freight train 15 miles away and on the other side of a mountain range. If you've lived in a city most of your life, recently moved to a quiet area, you may underestimate how much sound can travel. Especially if you've recently retired, and aren't used to being around during the daytime. Low frequency sound travels better, and what you hear from a long ways away might not resemble what you hear from closer. If you spend time wandering around cental Nevada you will occasionally get buzzed for real by the Navy, but they're pretty decent neighbors. Much better at sharing than the AF.
  2. ACARS didn't transmit data. But some three letter acronym heard it trying to connect.
  3. Sounds like a spy satellite heard the ACARS system either pinging a ground station and getting no reply due ro being out of range or pinging a satellite and getting no reply because the airline didn't subscribe to the service. Either way, it probably took a lot of digging and analyzing recordings, hence the delay.
  4. They must be superheros, because they're wearing their underwear on the outside.
  5. You were posting links to Australian crime stats and claiming to be able to see the effect of gun control in the overall homicide statistic. Clearly we can see through comparison to other countries that have not introduced gun control during that time period that line of reasoning is horseshit and you're now trying to misdirect. Smarter people than you have tried to see the influence of gun control in crime statistics and come up empty handed. Your also full of shit when you say that the US homicide rate has increased from 1999. There were slight increases in three of the years in the 2000s, but the overall trend is still down, with the 2010 rate being significantly below 1999. Just look at the data I posted. That wikipedia graph is not terribly helpful - for one thing it doesn't show homicide rate which is what you were talking about. 1991 is not a spike, but it is one of several peaks associated with he overall crime increase since 1965 (and not the highest one either). And yes, in most forms of math, 4.8/9.8 is less than 1/2. This graph is a little more helpful: (from http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/hmrt.cfm) The point is that the homicide rate is very variable, and the effect of gun control will be swamped out by various other factors. A couple of things: This graph only goes out to 2006. If continued to 2011, you'd see the rate just about equal to the 1950s lows. The big jump in the rate after 1905 (the rate almost quintupled over about four years) - it's hard not to believe that this is due to a change in the way data is collected or reported. Another thing, these two sources of data that I posted, complied by different US Justice Department agencies, vary significantly. While the trends are very similar, the actual figures vary by about 10%. These are two bureaus in the same department of the same government. How variable do you thing the data is between two different countries on different continents? While there is good reason to believe that the US homicide rate is significantly higher than Australia's, the exact difference is pretty uncertain. I'll give you an example of a potential source of these differences. A person is killed, another person is tried for his murder, and the jury acquits. Here's another example: A person is killed, another person is charged with manslaughter, and the charge is pled down to assault. Should we include these events in the homicide statistics? In the US they would be included, in the UK they wouldn't. Both approaches are supportable, but they aren't easily comparable. Not sure what the Australian approach is, but I would guess it's more similar to the UK one than the US.
  6. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls "Murder and Non-negligent Manslaughter" is equivalent to Homicide.
  7. Thanks for the non-trollish response. I'm looking at the 2nd graph in your second link. Steady decline, according to the caption. Is the post-1996 trend, any different from the pre-1996 trend? It looks to me like the changes in gun laws had no effect, one way or the other. Yes the graph looks a little flat, but have a look from 1997 onwards it's steep. Government plunker statisticians graphs., but to quote the summation: The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968. 2nd graph, not third. Homicide incidents in Australia, 1989-90 to 2006-07 (number) not Homicides involving firearms as a percentage of total homicides, 1915-2003 Not getting killed vs getting killed, is an improvement. Getting stabbed or bludgeoned vs getting shot, isn't. In 2009 new knife carrying legislation was put in place.. I got that from an article. Still trying to find govt stats post 2009. Must do some work.. You should also look at the homicide rate in the US over time. For example, the homicide rate in 2010 was less than half of what it was in 1991. The trends are similar for other categories of violent crime. Why has the rate declined so much faster in the US than it has in Australia? What are the implications for your argument?
  8. So, on what charges should they be arrested? I'm not familier with US law, but is there nothing about "having knowledge and failiure to warn the authorities of a criminal act" especially of that magnitude? It must be in the latest Homeland security laws? Not being a prick, just asking. Wouldn't be covered by Federal law, but by State law. If they had specific foreknowledge of this crime that would be one thing. Knowledge that their adult son was nuts and potentially a danger to others is quite a different thing.
  9. Still doesn't beat Norway last year - 77 dead, 319 injured. For those that think I'm picking on Norway - Last year Belgium had a massacre with 7 dead 125 injured which also beats this one by the way you're counting victims.
  10. Apparently, statistics are not your strong suit! Anomalies are not statistics. Take the equivalent - ALL of Europe - over about 20 years and let us know how it adds up.... And, oh, the Norway guy was a Tea Partier (type). Just to be fair I looked at mass murders in the US vs. Europe for the last 100 years. Europe is up in the tens of millions, the US is in the thousands. Norway is a tiny sample group to base your argument on and if anything it's the exception that proves the rule. It has been a society worried about the loosening of gun ownership laws for some time and now we see an `American style' mass killing. Anecdotally I was in Denmark 2 years ago and my Danish hosts said that Norwegians aren't tight enough on their gun laws.. Surely we are talking about the post war modern world ? Your weird logic about centuries gone doesn't wash in a sensible discussion about modern politics.. Girly logic on your part so far. We'll have to update that old joke that Americans think 100 years is a long time and Europeans think that 100 miles is a long distance, now that Europeans think that seventy years is "centuries gone". But I will admit that the modern Europe has this wonderful single currency, one of whose selling points was that it will prevent all of that unmentionable unpleasantness of "centuries gone". So you all have that going for you.
  11. Apparently, statistics are not your strong suit! Anomalies are not statistics. Take the equivalent - ALL of Europe - over about 20 years and let us know how it adds up.... And, oh, the Norway guy was a Tea Partier (type). Just to be fair I looked at mass murders in the US vs. Europe for the last 100 years. Europe is up in the tens of millions, the US is in the thousands.
  12. Want to talk about stats? One of these events could happen every day in the US for a whole year, and it still wouldn't equal what happened in Norway last year on a per-capita basis.
  13. Two sheets of 5/8" drywall equal just one and a quarter inches of whimpy ass gypsum. Next question, please?.... What about the insulation? Don't theater walls have insulation to deaden the sound between the shows? And doesn't it take muzzle velocity to have any real penetration? AR15s and Glocks are pretty short barreled right? I think theres a Mythbusters show being written as we speak. Yeah, because if there's one thing an AR-15 lacks, it's muzzle velocity.
  14. Sorry, I thought I posted in the "Joke" thread. This must be the "Stupid myths that my grandma emailed me from her AOL account 10 years ago" thread. Anyway, apologies for derailing things.
  15. NASA bought the space pens of the shelf, and paid $2.95 each, same as everyone else. NASA didn't pay any development cost - those were paid for by the manufacturer. The Russians also bought and used Fisher "Space Pens" when they became available. http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp