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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. IET's - exploding turtles at the weather mark.
  2. Agree. It seemed like they could go deeper down wind too in the light stuff in several races. I'm afraid if he holds back at the pre starts he will get owned by JS. Kinda like what BA did to him that lead to PB bearing away and PPing. The way I saw the last several races with ART - race over 14 knots ART had smaller boards. Better speed made no mistakes. The last 2 races NZ boat was pretty much 2 knots faster around the 10 knot range. Very impressive boat!
  3. I'm really impressed with what the NZ designers have done with the boat performance. Not to impressed with PB. With that said if OR can match NZ's speed in 12 knots or below NZ is going to have a rough time out there.
  4. If the AC 50's continue into the next AC there is talk suggesting one designing the hydraulic systems. I was talking with Tom Schock yesterday at my cabinet shop. He was crew on one of the AC 12 meters back in the day. He said the crew had to be extremely fit then too. He said "you try 46 tacks to weather mark". It's always played a role in the AC. Back then it was a more drawn out physical effort. Today it a shorter more intense effort since the races last only 20 minutes. I think NZ has nailed the hydro system better than any other team. It manifested itself more on the windy day. NO and some of the other teams talked about lack of oil often. It looked like they had to delay their maneuvers because of it. I think it has contributed to some of them falling off their foils because they can't control them good enough. It looked like ART's wing locked up a few times too. NZ capitalizes in those weakness's resulting in a passes.
  5. Bring your cash or better yet leave your cash - http://mobile.royalgazette.com/americas-cup---news/article/20170601/superyachts-bring-in-millions-to-economy&template=mobileart
  6. If they do have high and a low wind wings the pivot point of the flap may be one ways that make a difference. The pivot point is located in the trailing edge of the main element. 1) For example if you move the pivot point further forward in the trailing edge the leeward flow gets cleaner in the trailing edge flap junction at a lower flap angle ( less camber) . = high wind set up. It also changes the amount of airflow through the slot. 2) If you move the pivot point back in the trailing edge the Main element the leeward flow gets cleaner in the trailing edge flap junction at a higher flap angle (more camber) = low wind set up. It also changes the amount of airflow through the slot. The wing configuration that they are using is pretty simple and less optimized compared to most 3 element C class cat wings. 3) It may be possible that the twist is set up differently in the wings.
  7. Thats what I was told. I got there the day after opening ceremony. Assuming that they win.
  8. Agree. There is a on board video on FB that shows the foil activity pre pp.
  9. I talked with some of the locals about the AC Villiage when I was there last week. They said Bermuda paid for the chunk of land. On opening day LE said we will be back. The local vibe seemed positive about the AC. Time will tell.
  10. Im not sure what the section thicknesses are. I imagine they taper down as they go. The 50's maynot be able to maximize the foils due to strength requirements. Thinner less drag but more fragile.
  11. Yep I was thinking SBJ and BAR handled it well. It only seemed like NZ had control issues on the first dw leg of the first race. They almost looked bow up like something was out of wack. There is an onboard video of the PP. It looked like the foil AOA was erratic making the foil stall then nose dive. The whole fiasco started with the hook. ART had issues more than the rest. NO commented about hydro issues. It looked like the wing got stuck on the wrong tack once. The boat was doing strange things at times.
  12. Agree except PB allowing team NZ to be hooked at the start by B AR. So far all NZ's losses were not from lack of design or boat speed.
  13. I thought 50 knots was about the wall for foils like the AC 50's? http://www.sailrocket.com/blogs A snipet from Paul Larsens blog before their break through foils ?. - Erik is designing, building, testing and competing with a host of foils which are trying to use similar concepts to those which we used i.e. base ventilation. He is also dealing a lot with cavitation and the various options for cross-overs. It's a fascinating puzzle and definitely one worth tackling. I described how good our concept was at showing the nature of the problem. The huge amount of stability the Bernard Smith concept gave us allowed us, at times, to just pour raw power at the foils to see if we could bust through the drag and get a higher number. We only ever did once. 52 knots was our nemeisis with up to 7 different foils, 2 boats and all conditions. Our first wedge foil managed to hit a peak of 54 knots once (with a WIRED journalist in the back).
  14. We haven't seen racing in anymore than 15ish average yet. So far it looks like ART has the top speed at 44.5 knots. If it blows harder into the low twenties will we start to see foil cavitation = crashes? ART took a different route with more of L shaped foil with a long vertical leg. More side force grip. I noticed when SBJ raced them last SB foiled low for more grip ( more vert in water) but that comes with a price if you screw up(easier to touch down).