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  1. My understanding is if you have anything less than a full fence, including front and back, you must be clipped on while on deck. The 'or' wording reads like poor editing from when there was no allowance for no front and back fence. If a cat with front and back beams chooses to not have transverse lifelines, they must be clipped in. They have a choice depending on what suits their layout A cat without front and rear beams must have continuous lifelines, no choice
  2. Bob, how does this rig compare with something like a farr40 for measurements? It looks tall, and higher aspect than you would traditionally see on a full keel yacht.
  3. Not that common for monos though, the wide shroud base on a multi makes the loads more manageable Azko Nobel hitting peaks in the low 30's in trials off Lisbon recently. Anyone know what the max a 65 has seen might be?
  4. If a freshwater rinse after sailing and a lube every few months is beyond the boats you sail on, it explains why they are listening to your suggestions. T series tylaska are not complicated bits of machinery that need an experienced operator. If flogging was ever a concern, would a t series appear on a Volvo? Obviously soft attachments are on all the top boats these days, but since they require regular inspection and occasional replacement I expect they are well outside your experience
  5. Funny, seems that tylaska considers the t8 just fine for halyards. http://www.tylaska.com/index.php/snap-shackles/t8/ In case your comprehension is poor, let me point out the pertinent phrase: "SB - Standard Bailsprovide ample room for attaching a line while keeping weight and overall shackle length to a minimum. Ideal for halyards and sheets" A Volvo 60 seems ok running a snap shackle with their halyard lock https://m.imgur.com/hau2Ptd
  6. Ever been on a race boat?
  7. If the idea of building gets you going, schionning has a 15m fast cruiser designed to be built in flat panels. I don't believe anyone of the arrow 1500s have been built, but the arrow 1200 looks pretty tidy. Not sure I would go all the way to a 60' cat, that is starting to get to the ludicrously large end of the range. Not a lot of marina berths for boats that size. A 48-55' cat has an enormous amount of space
  8. Everyone thinks they are a designer, because they can produce a sketch that looks about right, or they can find a single flaw in a completed design. This applies to far more fields than just yacht design, think about how life must be for architects, every home owner thinks they know what's best
  9. I would stick with the jib, and look at investing in a carbon whisker pole. Carbon poles are such a handling improvement over alloy, and you can make them more robust as the weight penalty is minimal. An asso is only easy compared with a sym, you still have a lot of line to run to gybe, and you still have to get the fucker up and down. Things like furlers and socks help, but when they go wrong you still have to be able to get it down safely.
  10. How about a bunk room setup for the three youngest, something like a fancy pipe cot on the hull would be quite comfortable for smaller people. 4 cabins is not too hard to find at less than 60'. Otherwise, how about the dark side? A 50' cat has acres of room, and the potential for more separation between families if you desire. The four bunk layout of 1 fore-aft stern berth, 1 lateral midships berth under the bridgedeck is quite common even in performance boats. We have 2 Queens and a double berth in a 38' dagger boards cat, and still room for two heads! If you like sailing, try to limit your search to boats with boards. It is the simplest way to tell between gin palace slow boat and a cat that is actually meant to sail. There are a few that don't fit the mould, but very few.
  11. I've wondered in the past whether the air getting sucked down the venturi on centerline increases the chance of the rudder losing grip. The i420s used to suck audibly through the centre cases, and the rudder would let go without warning on a 2 sail reach in big breeze. Was it the venturi, or was it the shite, innefficient foil shape the class required?
  12. Really, really sure of that? I know the spec says it, but transport will run a tape over to check, so flared stainchions etc will make a difference. Going over 3.5 used to roughly double transport costs for machinery we designed.
  13. If the beam is under 3.5m road might be an option, that's when pilot vehicles and all that jazz kicks in. Still going to be a fat stack, more than $10k at a guess
  14. Only if it came with the full sized rig scanas. Class 40 rig is significantly taller iirc
  15. Teaching adults in dinghies only ever worked well for the sorts of people who are fit and coordinated. The vast majority of adults these days are overweight, inactive, and clumsy as fuck, and need a keel to slow things down a bit. My yacht club uses an S80, which is getting good reviews from all sides it seems. The dinghy club uses corsairs, which combines many of the disadvantages of big and little boats, with relatively high sheet and helm loads in any breeze, as well as an unweighted metal centreboard so it can and will capsize. They are a lot more docile than a 420, even a c420 though, and have seats to sit on. I think there is a place for dinghy sailing in every sailing skills progression though. The weight and size of keelboats make them whisper feedback to the helm, compared to a good dinghy yelling that feedback. The cheap and easy OD racing, the fact that training is normal and accepted, the extra feedback of pulling the main with one hand and feeling the helm with the other all help move past sailing by rule and towards understanding how a boat works. We had a surprising pushback from a few members when we tried to organise a coach to chase the club fleet around one arvo, lots of comments along the lines of 'its worked for 30 years, what would he know'. That doesn't happen in dinghies. LB and other such schools can probably teach you those higher level sailing skills, but how many people ever feel the need to learn them?