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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. FWIW here's my read of the rules and where things went wrong. I have no dog in this fight btw. RRS 19 ROOM TO PASS AN OBSTRUCTION 19.1 When Rule 19 Applies Rule 19 applies between boats at an obstruction except when it is also a mark the boats are required to leave on the same side. However, at a continuing obstruction, rule 19 always applies and rule 18 does not. 19.2 Giving Room at an Obstruction a A right-of-way boat may choose to pass an obstruction on either side. b When boats are overlapped, the outside boat shall give the inside boat room between her and the obstruction, unless she has been unable to do so from the time the overlap began. c While boats are passing a continuing obstruction, if a boat that was clear astern and required to keep clear becomes overlapped between the other boat and the obstruction and, at the moment the overlap begins, there is not room for her to pass between them, she is not entitled to room under rule 19.2b. While the boats remain overlapped, she shall keep clear and rules 10 and 11 do not apply. <-- This part here indicates that Courageous had no rights to come from astern and expect to pass a continuing obstruction if there was no way she was going to make it through there when the overlap was established 20 ROOM TO TACK AT AN OBSTRUCTION 20.1 Hailing When approaching an obstruction, a boat may hail for room to tack and avoid a boat on the same tack. However, she shall not hail if a she can avoid the obstruction safely without making a substantial course change, b she is sailing below close-hauled, or c the obstruction is a mark and a boat that is fetching it would be required to respond and change course. 20.2 Responding a After a boat hails, she shall give the hailed boat time to respond. b The hailed boat shall respond even if the hail breaks rule 20.1. <-- Even though Courageous's hail for room did not qualify under 20.1b (due to sailing below a close-hauled course), Extreme2 was still obligated to respond in the appropriate manner as written in 20.2c. Sorting out the legality of the hail should be left to the protest room. c) The hailed boat shall respond either by tacking as soon as possible, or by immediately replying ‘You tack’ and then giving the hailing boat room to tack and avoid her. d) When the hailed boat responds, the hailing boat shall tack as soon as possible. e) From the time a boat hails until she has tacked and avoided the hailed boat, rule 18.2 does not apply between them. As is often the case in life and sailboat racing, the reality is often somewhere in between both sides of a disagreement. Courageous seems to have been in the wrong due to violation of 19.1c but Extreme2 could be held accountable for not responding to Couragous's hail appropriately under 20.2b.
  2. So they have now moved the J33 into class E, leaving only J & T 35s in class G. These are the same bosts that have been racing level for over 20 years, now forced to race on handicap. WE DON'T WANT TO! Solution: Rate all boats in class G ,886, the fastest measured boat in the class. Nope won't happen will it? I'm pretty sure that if you want to race as a level class, the class needs to apply for/request a level rating. Did anyone in the J/T 35 class apply for or request this?
  3. If the thickness of the hull is sufficient, you can countersink the fitting that you have so the transducer is flush and use filler to smooth it all out when you are done
  4. I can understand that ideally you want your bilge pumps to drain directly overboard above the waterline but given the constraints that you have with no other thru-hulls to utilize, you might want to put a backflow preventer in your sink drain line just above where you would connect your bilge pumps. It's still another part that can fail but it would limit the risk of your pumps filling your sink up with bilge water.
  5. Tim Healy must be in on the joke too http://www.sailingworld.com/winging-technique-in-key-west#ooid=pxOGw5MDE6POeDhRbl9gH3vC4HkqJf1h
  6. and less wind
  7. While I understand the frustration in the aforementioned scenario, I don't think it is the draw of one-design racing that brings boats to do these races. Lake Michigan/Chicago has what, 20+ 36.7s and not one is coming over to do the BYC Mac. Just sayin...
  8. The spread in performance/boatspeed among Super Mac boats entered is wild, from an ORMA 60 & Volvo 70 to a "30 footer" and wide variety in between. Seems unlikely many of the boats will even see each other after Mackinac Island (or earlier) other than on YB. Looks like a bucket list race though, I'm surprised only 31 boats entered, especially with the Bayview Mac starting the Sat after. I would have thought pretty much every boat entered in the CYC and BYC Macs would have also entered the Super Mac, but I guess the CYC Sailors Celebration is a big draw... Chicago/Lake Michigan based boats that are sub 50' don't seem to come over to Lake Huron for the BYC Mac very often The CYC Mac Sailor's Celebration on the island is what it is...I'll leave it at that.
  9. I'm in a pinch and looking for someone who could dive and wipe down a boat before the regatta starts this Friday. Our regular option is "out of service". Anyone with any ideas please PM me. Thanks
  10. I think most people here who have ever owned a boat probably have a ball park idea of what it would cost to bring this thing back. No doubt that buying something in better shape with better sails is the smarter option here but the nature of the project has intrigued me and I hope whoever is working on this thing gets it back and going and I (and others probably) would love to hear out the project is going. So much bitterness here these days...
  11. The point on the cost of sails is kind of a wash in my opinion. The cost for sails for a 50' race boat are what they are. If you're basing your decisions on the costs of sails, then you shouldn't be considering the boat in the first place. I'm curious more on what will/did it take to bring the rest of the boat back (hull, deck, hardware, electronics, mechanicals). You know, the stuff you don't usually replace every 3 or so years.
  12. I took a look at this boat when it was listed as well and I would be curious to know what was able to be salvaged and what ended up needing replacing. (Engine, instruments, rigging, sails) The broker also told me it looked like there was a sleave on the mast from a previous break. Is that true?