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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. The Jobson Retort

    FWIW here's my read of the rules and where things went wrong. I have no dog in this fight btw. RRS 19 ROOM TO PASS AN OBSTRUCTION 19.1 When Rule 19 Applies Rule 19 applies between boats at an obstruction except when it is also a mark the boats are required to leave on the same side. However, at a continuing obstruction, rule 19 always applies and rule 18 does not. 19.2 Giving Room at an Obstruction a A right-of-way boat may choose to pass an obstruction on either side. b When boats are overlapped, the outside boat shall give the inside boat room between her and the obstruction, unless she has been unable to do so from the time the overlap began. c While boats are passing a continuing obstruction, if a boat that was clear astern and required to keep clear becomes overlapped between the other boat and the obstruction and, at the moment the overlap begins, there is not room for her to pass between them, she is not entitled to room under rule 19.2b. While the boats remain overlapped, she shall keep clear and rules 10 and 11 do not apply. <-- This part here indicates that Courageous had no rights to come from astern and expect to pass a continuing obstruction if there was no way she was going to make it through there when the overlap was established 20 ROOM TO TACK AT AN OBSTRUCTION 20.1 Hailing When approaching an obstruction, a boat may hail for room to tack and avoid a boat on the same tack. However, she shall not hail if a she can avoid the obstruction safely without making a substantial course change, b she is sailing below close-hauled, or c the obstruction is a mark and a boat that is fetching it would be required to respond and change course. 20.2 Responding a After a boat hails, she shall give the hailed boat time to respond. b The hailed boat shall respond even if the hail breaks rule 20.1. <-- Even though Courageous's hail for room did not qualify under 20.1b (due to sailing below a close-hauled course), Extreme2 was still obligated to respond in the appropriate manner as written in 20.2c. Sorting out the legality of the hail should be left to the protest room. c) The hailed boat shall respond either by tacking as soon as possible, or by immediately replying ‘You tack’ and then giving the hailing boat room to tack and avoid her. d) When the hailed boat responds, the hailing boat shall tack as soon as possible. e) From the time a boat hails until she has tacked and avoided the hailed boat, rule 18.2 does not apply between them. As is often the case in life and sailboat racing, the reality is often somewhere in between both sides of a disagreement. Courageous seems to have been in the wrong due to violation of 19.1c but Extreme2 could be held accountable for not responding to Couragous's hail appropriately under 20.2b.
  2. BYC - Mackinac

    So they have now moved the J33 into class E, leaving only J & T 35s in class G. These are the same bosts that have been racing level for over 20 years, now forced to race on handicap. WE DON'T WANT TO! Solution: Rate all boats in class G ,886, the fastest measured boat in the class. Nope won't happen will it? I'm pretty sure that if you want to race as a level class, the class needs to apply for/request a level rating. Did anyone in the J/T 35 class apply for or request this?
  3. Need advice on thru hull installation

    If the thickness of the hull is sufficient, you can countersink the fitting that you have so the transducer is flush and use filler to smooth it all out when you are done
  4. Bilge Pump Discharge question

    I can understand that ideally you want your bilge pumps to drain directly overboard above the waterline but given the constraints that you have with no other thru-hulls to utilize, you might want to put a backflow preventer in your sink drain line just above where you would connect your bilge pumps. It's still another part that can fail but it would limit the risk of your pumps filling your sink up with bilge water.
  5. Wing on wing?

    Tim Healy must be in on the joke too http://www.sailingworld.com/winging-technique-in-key-west#ooid=pxOGw5MDE6POeDhRbl9gH3vC4HkqJf1h
  6. Bells Beer Bayview Mackinac

    While I understand the frustration in the aforementioned scenario, I don't think it is the draw of one-design racing that brings boats to do these races. Lake Michigan/Chicago has what, 20+ 36.7s and not one is coming over to do the BYC Mac. Just sayin...
  7. Falcon, Tripp/Goetz 50 on Craigslist

    I think most people here who have ever owned a boat probably have a ball park idea of what it would cost to bring this thing back. No doubt that buying something in better shape with better sails is the smarter option here but the nature of the project has intrigued me and I hope whoever is working on this thing gets it back and going and I (and others probably) would love to hear out the project is going. So much bitterness here these days...
  8. Falcon, Tripp/Goetz 50 on Craigslist

    The point on the cost of sails is kind of a wash in my opinion. The cost for sails for a 50' race boat are what they are. If you're basing your decisions on the costs of sails, then you shouldn't be considering the boat in the first place. I'm curious more on what will/did it take to bring the rest of the boat back (hull, deck, hardware, electronics, mechanicals). You know, the stuff you don't usually replace every 3 or so years.
  9. Falcon, Tripp/Goetz 50 on Craigslist

    I took a look at this boat when it was listed as well and I would be curious to know what was able to be salvaged and what ended up needing replacing. (Engine, instruments, rigging, sails) The broker also told me it looked like there was a sleave on the mast from a previous break. Is that true?