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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  

John Gray

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  1. Surfing, bar crossings and boat shape

    Lol, not sure if you are just having fun. This is our local entrance, is it wrong to ask how a boat type will handle waves? Should I ban the kids coming out for ?6 months, ?2 years... Even then, shit happens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX7zzSjxv5I Did you buy the Masrm? As a young kid I sailed out the mouth to that river before the breakwater walls were built. Dad was on the helm and we were in a mirror dinghy. He was a champion surfboat sweep and even though the surf wasn't large his eyes were out on storks. He picked his time and then got into it. We sailed various dinghy's off Mooloolaba back in the day and we were taught to make sure we kept the boat at 90 degrees to the wave face and stayed straight all the way down the wave face, crew weight aft. Mooloolaba now has its channel dredged so that you are approaching safety pretty much beam on in big surf. Timing is everything. On my current 30 footer we have crossed the bar at Ballina and caught a big wave that broke, dad was with us again (then as an old man) he was at the bottom of the companionway with his flippers clutched under his arm and eyes again out on storks. The cheer off the end of the northern breakwater from watching fisherman and prompting from some of the crew couldn't get me to go out again and catch another wave though. We got no water in our very open transom, you could hear the white water doing its thing just behind you though. Seems some ocean waves were we sail move at about 15/17 knots depending what is driving them weather wise. Dad always reckoned it was between 17 and 20. I have crossed (come in) at southport after being dis-masted, under motor (inboard diesel). Shut the boat up, life jackets all round and tethered. Go slow enough to never catch a wave, reverse if necessary. We have come in across South Passage bar and we have come in across Wide Bay bar, (rudder broken off at the waterline and steering with a sweep oar. Air sea rescue escorted us through the last bit of that. Wickham's local knowledge is excellent advice for that crossing. Its a long scary bar. Biggest danger in catching a wave while crossing a bar (apart from broaching) is hitting the bottom with your keel as you run into shallow water at the bottom of the wave face. That could go horribly wrong if you end up with structural failure.