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  1. Advice for first time Grenada bareboat?

    The Cays and Bequia are the highlights. It seems like you are not going to go to Bequia, so you should have plenty of time to take two nights in the Cays, that would give you a night for dinner ashore and a full day of snorkeling and exploring.
  2. Advice for first time Grenada bareboat?

    To add to the above, we are also West Coast sailors, who have cruised the Eastern Caribbean for the last three years, and a couple of years before that. There are anchorage entrances were you need to pay attention, but the warning about depths is over the top, to say the least. The south coast of Grenada has a number of coves that can be explored if you’re interested, PJ mentions them, and St Georges is an interesting visit and a good spot to pick up an island tour at the Grenada YC. We think it is one of the prettiest islands. It can be a challenging sail from Grenada to Carriacou, particularly if the wind is strong out of the NE. As for Kick em Jenny, there is a web site that gives you the status, i.e. whether to stay out of a 1 or 1.5 kilometer voluntary “exclusion” zone. We have never seen anything going on. In any event sail north close inshore until you get to Sauters at the north end, then head out for Carriacou, as you will have some leeway. I disagree about Tyrell Bay and Hillsborough, we prefer the later, and if you anchor close to shore, which you will in any event, its is a great anchorage, as is the anchorage off Sandy Island. The main customs/immigration office is in town at the end of the dock. Look into visiting PSV and/or Petite Martinique, you can go to both easily from Hillsborough, (or Tyrell) and can then sail over to Union (Clifton Harbor) to clear into St Vincent. I agree there is no reason to spend the night, you can slip over to Palm Island for the night or sail on to Tobago Cays. It is an easy sail from Hillsborough to PSV, for lunch, then on to Union, clear in and then sail over to Tobago, entering through the north entrance. You can coming into Tobago Cays from the south, it is a bit of a challenge, as it is sailing through a reef opening and requires that you “read” water, but is much shorter. We have done it leaving, when it is easier to see the channel. If you want to avoid that, sail around the west side of Mayreau (no reason to stop at Saline or Salt Whistle Bays - not much there and they take time away from Tobago) and sail in from there. Much easier, with a range (a little difficult to see), but it’s a straightforward, wide opening. As others have mentioned it is a great anchorage, and a beautiful spot. You do not need to pick up a mooring ball, sail through the channel between Petit Rameau and Petite Bateau and then anchor either north or south of Bardahl. The “main” anchorage is between Bardahl and Jamesby. Have dinner ashore on Bateau with Glen. Canuan is skipable, but it breaks up the trip to Bequia. The next anchorage north is Mustique, which can be a bit of a challenge again if the wind is strong out of the NE. Bequia is an easier sail, a bit long at 20-27 miles, but not that long. It is also a bit of a stretch given the time you have, but it’s a nice spot and very much worth a visit. Most people who visit the Grenadines find Bequia and Tobago Cays the must stops. Coming back south you can stop at Chatham on the west side of Union, although you will need to check out at Clfton Harbor, where you cleared in. You can clear back into Grenada at either Carriacou or Grenada (at St Georges or Prickly Bay). Carriacou is much easier.
  3. Sail Track

    Have had the Tides Strong Track System for 15 years. After 12 years the track began to crack and pieces broke off, requiring replacement of the track (was easy to do, called Tides with the build number (stamped on the metal retaining fitting, and they sent me the new track). I did not need to replace the SS slides, and so the cost (60' mast was less than $500 shipped. We have been very happy with the Strong Track. Strong Track Pros and Cons: Makes sail up, reefing and down a breeze, no matter what your point of sail Reasonable cost, and lower "replacement" cost - only need to replace the track, not the SS slides Low maintenance requirement (have had to replace some of the slide pins and ringy dingys, and redo some of the webbing. Would estimate that we spend less than $200 on the system in the last 15 years The track has a definite life expectancy - our boat was kept in Florida and the Caribbean, so we got 12 years of use before we had to replace it. (Probably should have done it at 11 years though) I have not used the Harken mainsail systems so cannot address them, my impression though is that they are heavy (weight aloft) and require substantially more maintenance. That is certainly true of my Harken traveler.
  4. Anyone else jumped today?

    Waiting for him to pay up is akin to waiting for Godot, will never happen. Small claims is simple, (usual rule is plaintiff wins), and gives you a judgment (judicial finding that the money is owed to you), which you can enforce. Cost is relatively low and is awarded to you as a part of the judgment along with interest. Given the assault the filing of charges for it and the theft of services seems like the way to go. The downside is, once started, you have no control over the outcome, that rests entirely in the prosecutor's hands/discretion. A small claims judgment would help put to rest any lack of desire to not proceed on the charges by the prosecutor and place the judge in the position that he knows you are owed the debt.
  5. California Boating Card

    Actually, in California we pronounce it "government," not "gubmint" as you apparently do in Vancouver? If you lived in California you would better understand that the views expressed by Caca Cabeza are spot on for what occurs in California. Taxes and fees always go up, never down, except when the people "revolt" - Proposition 13, the recall of Grey Davis. So not crap just an accurate appraisal of California - say it after me - government.
  6. Eugenics

    Amazing how these threads drift off course. Whatever may be your view of abortion, as long as it remains legal then the practice of eugenics is unavoidable at some level. The “lest” offensive is voluntary, the most abhorrent is mandatory, but there is a very slim line between the two as a practical matter. However, even on a voluntary basis the government can effect the outcome, e.g. Iceland has “eradicated” Down Syndrome, not by somehow curing it, but by aborting all babies testing positive for Down Syndrome. The government does not require that they be aborted, (they are not after all the Chinese government dealing with overpopulation), they simply essentially require the prenatal tests that identify the “issue” and then “counsel” the parents about the prospects of having a Down Syndrome child. If you watch the ABC video on this you will see the nature of the “counseling.” Amazingly successful if you hope to eradicate Down Syndrome - fewer than 1% do not abort. This is eugenics - the elimination of people who are viewed as defective. Europe has the same programs, with the same results, they just have not been asked about it. The ACA regulations defined the tests as “an essential health benefit, and essentially provided that administering the tests was a “best practice.” The Down Syndrome folks (people with Downs and their relatives and supporters), correctly predicted that these types of regulation would result in what has occurred in Iceland. If you support a “woman’s right to chose”, i.e. you support abortion, this is an inescapable result. There is no principled way in which you can say no to an abortion undertaken for the reason of removing an unwanted child, but somehow differentiate between reasons the child is unwanted. Be it the results of a genetic test and counseling; the sex of the child; or any other reason. While I have my view of all this, (abortion on demand and eugenics) name calling based on whether the aborting of these folks is voluntary or mandatory is an interesting exercise, but it misses the point to a significant extent - the government does not have to make it mandatory to achieve what is essentially the same result. All it has to do is require the tests, either actually or as a practical matter, (what doctor is going to take the risk of not following "best practices" and expose themselves to a lawsuit if a baby is born with Downs), and then control the counseling.
  7. Inland Waterway Bridge Clearance

    As I wrote earlier have run the AICW from Norfolk to Fort Pierce in our boat, 60' air draft, 6'6" draft. We have also run it in increments from Charleston to Lauderdale, from Morehead to Norfolk, from Charleston to Jacksonville, and from Norfolk to Charleston. We of course have never had a bridge clearance issue. (But we always step out at Ft Pierce because of the number of lifting bridges from there to Lauderdale. Of course we always go outside from Lauderdale to Miami because of Julia Tuttle). If you draw 6' 6" you will go aground, and unless you are exceedingly careful, that is also true of 6'. It is always on mud so no damage, and you can normally back off without any help. There are spots, e.g. Lockwood's Folly, where you are facing a real issue at 6' or more, but with care and the tide we have made it thru. Have never done it again, we have always stepped out at Cape Fear River and back in at New River - much more restful. Anyway, these issues are well documented in the Waterway Guide and in its app and Active Capt. It pays to look at the section you are going to cover in their app or Active Capt even if there are no "issues." A friend managed to come to a hard stop up by Camp Lejeune while in the channel, and he drew 5'. Active Capt noted the hump and that it was missed by steering to the west of the magenta line. We learned about it by talking to him.
  8. Inland Waterway Bridge Clearance

    There are a couple of bridges, (other than the Julia Tuttle, which is in Southern Fl, with no work around other than going outside at Ft Lauderdale), that are less than 65'. As for waiting for the tide they are in non tidal sections of the AICW, where water levels are affected by wind. As for looking at the charts, the chart shows the Pungo Ferry Bridge to be 60', its not, its 65. If you want information on bridge heights, and tidal effects, you need to get the Waterway Guide for the Intercoastal Waterway 2017 Ed. If its your first time down the AICW its a good volume to have as it lists bridges, how to contact them, and bridge clearance heights etc. It also contains information on spots where you may have draft issues, which given your draft, whatever that may be, may require work arounds. They also had an app, and another good app is Active Captain, which is good if you have cell coverage. Finally, talking with locals at the marinas you stop at about what is coming up in the next section, and if you still have questions, talking to whatever tow service you are using (Seatalk, Towboat US, and you should have one), they can provide specific up to date info as well. I have taken a boat "up" the waterway from Charleston to Ft Lauderdale and again from Morehead City to Atlantic Yacht Basin just south of Norfolk. It had an air draft of 63'6". From Charleston south we had no bridge clearance issues. From Morehead City north we rang the antenna three times. One of those, Morehead City was tidal, and so easily addressed. The other two where in the area between Oriental and Coinjock. Do not remember the names, but one id famous for having a clearance of 63' and are non tidal. Each of the fixed bridges in that section (Morehead north has a clearance board (with a couple of exception that are not an issue since they are easily 65') So the question is how tall is your antenna? (I like the idea of turning it upside down, and having a metal not fiberglass antenna.) If you can get under 63' without the antenna, then you're okay, but you will have to careful about wind driven water heights. Watch the boards.
  9. Same is true of checking in/out at Hillsborough, and Bequia. I think most people who are going to visit Petit Martinique/PSv are not to concerned about there they are checked in. Think from what I have seen the respective governments have the same view.
  10. Hey Editor, ever heard of one design?

    Another silly comment that misses the point of the thread. Who would/could make every OD class use one particular sailmaker? Each class, not SA or VOR, gets to decide what sailmaker it wants to use, if they want to limit the number of sailmakers.
  11. I suppose that's the point, whatever you use you need to take steps to make sure it does not "open," be it a snap shackle or a bow shackle. Since we take our headsails down at least once a year, every time we do we mouse the snap shackle that attaches the halyard to the top swivel and both of the D shackles that attach the sails to the swivels with wire ties. We have never noticed any degradation in these ties, but if we were going to leave them up longer than that we would use wire,
  12. Stack pack or not?

    We have retractable lazy jacks, There are two advantages to a retractable system 1. The lazy jacks are out of the way and not rubbing against the sail when sailing, and 2. They are out of the way when you want to raise the main, making it much easier to do. If the lazy jacks are retractable, then as others have pointed out, you can use a normal main sail cover, no need for cut outs. This is less expensive and easier to use. Also, if they are retractable for racing, then they are retractable when just sailing. We have ours retracted until such time as we are going to drop the main (we have a Strong Track system, so the main drops like a shot). After the main is down, cleaned up and sail tied, we retract the lazy jacks and put on the main sail cover. Really very easy. Our main is 49 feet on the luff and 16 feet on the boom.
  13. In my experience this issue is caused by batteries that need to be replaced, corrosion, or occasionally a loose connection, (more likely when the connection is first made). You have demonstrated it is not the first, leaving the second or third. Again, in my experience you need to visually/physically check the offending circuits to see if they are corroded or loose. Usually a drop in voltage this significant will have demonstrable corrosion or be noticeably loose. While it could be in the panel supply wires, and they need to be checked, since it apparently affects only some of the circuits, that seems questionable. If I understand your posts all of these circuits are on one "sub-panel." If that is so it makes chasing down the problem somewhat easier. As for accessibility, remember the second rule of boating - if something needs to be fixed on a boat it will be hard to reach. Small solace I know. You already know which circuits are affected. If a visual inspection does not reveal the issue, then you can go to the multi-tester.
  14. Books on tuning/trim

    The best I ever read was Wallace Ross "Sail Power." A bit of a tome, but it covers the entire gamut.
  15. Loose or non loose footed main question

    We have had loose footed mains for decades, first switched when we had a main with a bolt rope on a Wilderness 21 - simply did not use the bolt rope - voile a loose footed main. We did this at the suggestion of our sailmaker. Since then every main we have used, on boats ranging from a Melges 24 to a Beneteau F456 have had loose footed mains. We have raced, day sailed and cruised with these mains. We have never had a foot cord, and have never had an issue with shaping the foot. About 5 years ago we needed to replace the clew car fitting on the boom of our F456. Again at the suggestion of our sailmaker, we ditched the car and went to a velcro strap, have never gone back. It works great. A shelf foot is added sail material that allows the foot to be slacked to create more draft in the lower part of the sail while using a bolt rope. Rather doubt you have one. If you do, and you feel like spending a little money on your main, have a sailmaker remove it and with it the bolt rope.