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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. ton fun

    The leather bag was hard to access if you didn't know it was there. it was also stained with mud on the lower half. Just because there is a rule does not mean these guys followed it to the letter! The leather bag (nor any bow ballast) was not noted on the cert. The transmission was, indeed OEM with the boat. When we picked it up the floorboards were so soaked with oil from prior episodes that we trashed them and had new ones made. When we diagnosed the problem as incorrect O rings one of the old crew was incredulous that the problem was with a $2.00 item. Took us a few times experiencing the joy of hand scrubbing lead bricks in the bilge to figure that one out The rheostats were INTENTIONALLY wired to the nav lights, to slowly fool others that you were sailing away from them. As for the keel, we later heard it was poured that way to save money. I know about his earlier attempt to pour his own. Pretty funny. There was also no door on the head compartment, Tom Blackaller having famously tossing it overboard in the SORC
  2. ton fun

    Okay. I think I've catalogued these someplace else but... Isuzu tractor engine with all the serial numbers ground off Diesel tank had a special pump to dump fuel overboard. Guess certain races required you to start with a minimum amount of fuel. Gone! Reostats in the nav station labeled "speakers" that really turned down the brightness of the bow navigation lights and the stern light Leather bag full of lead shot with 75 feet of line and a fender for a float in the very bow (word is that they had it there for measuring and dropped it off on way to start and picked it up on the way back in. Hydraulic transmission built without the proper high temp O-rings that regularly spewed hot hydro oil all over the cabin We once tagged a rock at low speed, did a dive and saw the keel was shockingly bent. Hauled out and found the keel was almost pure lead, lacking the antimony needed for structural strength. Required an entire new keel to be poured. These are the top of mind. Been a long time!
  3. ton fun

    There have been a few comments about new Orleans Marine build quality. As the ex owner of Detente, the fore runner to all of the Serendipity's, I can say that we found a LOT of "interesting" features in Tommy's construction. That said, it was by far my favorite boat.
  4. Misogyny in sailing?

    Ed and I are far apart in our political beliefs, but I fully support his stand on this issue. SA is never going to be for everybody, because if it tries, it will end but being for nobody. I don't think any of it is truly mean spirited. Truth be told, I miss the days of Lesbian Robot. He wasn't so much a misogynist as a misanthrope!
  5. what is it?

    Not standing headroom forward if you were over 5'5"
  6. what is it?

    Answering has anybody been below. Yep, as said, almost bought one. It is a "small" 39 compared with modern hull designs. Short waterline and narrow. Except for the doghouse has very low headroom (at least for me, I'm 6'4"). This one was meticulous and finished in traditional white with dark wood trim and navy blue cushions with white piping. Was really nice! The doghouse was huge for this size of a boat and was almost like a greenhouse. Could sleep four, five in a pinch if friendly. I was like adding a big doghouse to a Hinckley Pilot 35.
  7. what is it?

    I had an opportunity to buy one a few years ago from a recently widowed woman whose husband had maintained it perfectly, including a brand new rig and diesel. Was very short money and I have regretted passing on it ever since.
  8. Rich Folks' Ego "Racing"

    Anyone else getting the feeling Guvacine is really Elizabeth Warren?
  9. The Yacht Club - Do you get value from your dues?

    Having just served as our club's treasurer for the past seven years and having been on the finance committee the last eleven or so, I find some of these posts pretty naive. I belong to a club in Marblehead that has pool, tennis courts, dry sailing, dining, bar and waterfront facilities. Initiation is about $15K and annual full dues are about $4K. First, all initiation fees go straight to the capital fund. They are needed to fund improvements and repairs to a facility that is almost 150 years old and sits on the ocean! They are NOT meant as an exclusionary tool to keep out the "wrong type" Next, the challenge with providing dining is to simply limit your losses. Providing good food with a seasonal staff is difficult and expensive. Add to that members who complain about not enough variety in the menu. My stock answer to that is to recommend they go to their favorite restaurant in town three times a week for twelve weeks or so (about the length of summer) and tell me how they did on providing variety. The ONLY food that makes money is private events like weddings and parties where fixed menus can mean economies of scale. Thank god for the bar! Alcohol usually provides a healthy surplus and the goal is to offset losses from dining. The really great news is that our members never let me down with their enthusiastic participation here. Last you have areas that are simply expenses. Waterfront ( launches, crane, staff,committee boats), pool (staff and chemicals), and tennis (staff). In summary, your operating revenue comes from dues, member dining and bar, and events. Pure expense is the waterfront, pool, tennis and clubhouse spending. We try to maintain a small overall surplus, but it is REALLY hard to do. Capital comes from new member initiation and whatever surplus we generate during the year.. Maintaining the kind of club that you all like to attend for big regattas is complex and expensive. While sailing itself may be egalitarian, membership at a club like this is not. It simply requires a certain amount of resources. Two other quick comments. Our membership is healthy and the list of prospective members is strong. Lastly, we have an aggressive program to make it easier for young adults to join with lower dues, initiation, and payments over time. The idea is that they will make it up in the longer run.
  10. Civil War or Lincoln Students

    Some good reading here, guys. Several years ago I took my daughter who was a freshman in high school out for a father/daughter dinner one night. Was just asking her how school was and she started complaining about history and how they were learning about Gettysburg and it was SO BORING. So I start mapping out the fight for Little Round Top using salt and pepper shakers, utensils and folded napkins, getting more and more excited, capping off my lesson with a very loud "how in the HELL can a teacher POSSIBLY make this boring??" It was then I saw that everybody was staring at me. I think my daughter wanted to crawl under the table, but she still loves telling the story!
  11. In the eternal words of Ron Burgundy "boy that escalated quickly"! Remind me to steer clear of the manly Dodge truck. Some of the best points made were about the women who ride. Almost all very high quality. Not sure I could say the same for most of those I see on the back of motorized two wheel vehicles.
  12. Chris is right, often I/we get waved through stop signs, particularly in rural settings. But...we don't assume that will happen! Also, I've chased down other cyclists when in my car to tell them that they are giving us all a bad name by their behavior. Have to say, I haven't got the impression that many were thankful for my words of wisdom!
  13. Stop signs are stop signs. Pain in the ass, yes, but how would you like it if a car slowed down and blew through the intersection without stopping? We had a guy in our group who would blow through red lights, stop signs, wouldn't yield, etc. Then would get in window pounding arguments with drivers. We tossed him from our group. He was nice guy up to the moment he sat his ass in a bike saddle. Then he became a personified version of why drivers hate cyclists.
  14. Cycling gear for me is about functionality and visibility. Usually wear solid white or yellow jersey and white helmet. Sure, I wear team gear for the charity rides where I am actually on a team, but usually dispense with all that. Also usually train with a Dinotte brand rear flasher. Adds a bit of weight, but I have been told by cops that they wish more riders would do that. More and more cycling gear is solid or nearly all black. Supposedly looks bad ass, but is VERY hard to see, particularly in low light situations, even cloudy days. if I'm riding my old three speed around town for an errand I may or may not wear a helmet. But riding with a group or for distance, always. I've broken two now in falls where I didn't have even a headache. One trend I'm seeing more and more are florescent yellow shoes or shoe covers. Between the bright color and the constant movement they are VERY noticeable. Again, function and visibility! I'm not going to wade into the Harley vs. sailors vs. cyclists thing. All groups have their share of dicks.
  15. Fucking Lufthansa !!!

    I was flying to Frankfurt on Lufthansa and was woken up by a flight attendant spritzing me in the face with air freshener saying something in german and english about stop making stink. She thought I was farting up a storm. was the guy in the seat next to me (he admitted it to me smiling later). Gotta love the easy going krauts!
  16. Venture (not MacGregor) Memories...

    My family was a camping family who decided that we were going to try sailing. My dad bought a V21 in the early 70's and we sailed it out of Westbrook CT on Long island Sound. We went everywhere on that thing because we didn't know any better. Shelter Island, Block Island, the Vineyard, Nantucket, Newport, through the canal and up to Marblehead and even the coast of Maine. All with a family of five! I used to sleep in the cockpit under a boom tent, curling up when it rained so my feet didn't get wet. But, compared to camping, it was easy! No tents to set up, camp kitchens to set up (we just left it open in the cabin) etc. When we went to Edgartown my dad refused to pay for a mooring so we cranked up the keel, set one anchor along the shore and the other off the stern and set up close enough to take our dingy the twenty feet or so to shore! We eventually got "smart", moved up to bigger and bigger boats, but I can't say that we, as a family, ever had more fun than on the Venture 21
  17. Random PicThread

    Nolatom, I went and looked at a buddy's Townie last night and you're right, too long for a Townie. I also think you're correct in identifying them as Indians. Kind of strange that class disappeared and the TC is going strong!
  18. Random PicThread

    I think they may actually be Townies.
  19. Fishing 2016

    Absolutely agree with Dorado. Why the fuck kill that fish? Even said it was starting to rot by the time it came in, so seriously doubt it was eaten. I'm sure they have video the fight and could have made reasonable estimate of length and girth (therefore weight) and had a fiberglass replica made for the wall. I was just down in Cabo marlin fishing and we released all. Captains down there are catching on to how they screw themselves by allowing gringos to keep a fish just to take a picture of it hanging up.
  20. Boat Nick Names

    There was a boat in New Orleans named "TGV" which means Train a' Grande Vitesse, or high speed train in French. We had NO IDEA at the time and spent a race renaming her "The Goat's Vagina", later shortened to The Goat...
  21. Upset the wrong guy

    amro is right, it's a box magazine
  22. Upset the wrong guy

    My buddy has that same model of rifle in 300 WinMag. Uses it for deer and boar. Has dropped mule deer on Catalina from 200yds+ multiple times. The real problem with the lever action is getting is smooth second shot. Much more jerky a motion than bolt action. Not an issue with deer so much, but a mad pig with big shiny tusks running at you full speed requires all the concentration you can muster to end the discussion. He had a sling on it that simply loops around the stock instead of terminating at a swivel. Once it slipped down a bit, got under the lever, preventing it from fully engaging the next round. we were boar hunting. I had to jump in and finish his boar. Was really scary. I never thought about the pointy bullet ends hitting the primer in the magazine. Going to ask by buddy if he worries about it.
  23. sad ....

    A momentary lapse of judgment is all is takes for a tragedy like this. Very sad. But what kills me are the suggestions that recovery should/could have been done faster. Clearly not made by those who have experienced these kinds of conditions at night. The fact that she was found at all is a miracle. As we used to tell our crew, be diligent about clipping because if you go over at night you are dead. Period.
  24. Reciprocity Inequality

    One more item here. Last year I knew I was going to be in Chicago for a medical meeting and wanted to take a few docs out to dinner. I thought the CYC wold be something different for them. Turned out I needed a letter on club stationary sent to the CYC affirming that I was, indeed, a member in good standing, signed by the treasurer. The person at the front desk compared the signature to my reservation and apologized profusely. I thought it was pretty funny.
  25. Reciprocity Inequality

    I am treasurer at my club, which I guess would be considered a WYC category, but not as stuffy as described. There are two ways to visit. One, using reciprocity, simply bills your home YC and you pay them. we have a pretty broad list, but not NYYC because they won't let our members reciprocate. By the way, it is the visitor's YC that is responsible for paying our YC, even if the member never pays his or her home town YC. The second way is under "visiting yachtsman" where you go to the front desk, leave a credit card number on file, they give you a temporary card, and all house charges go to your credit card. This relies on our front desk to sort out whether it is really a visiting sailor or some shmoe off the street, but it hasn't been an issue to date. During regattas we have a third way, which is to use credit cards directly swiped at the sale at the bar, but this slows down the process, so we try to limit this to events where there is too much demand for a temporary card. I have my own NYYC story related to the W44th location. One night I was walking back to my hotel after dinner and just thought I'd ask to see the model room as my boat was supposedly on the wall from the prior owner. Got the standard polite but firm "no". A member was at the desk filling out some sort of paperwork, asked my home YC and we got into a conversation about how many times he had been drunk there, etc. He invited me in as his guest, I found the half hull, then met he and his buddies in the bar for a LONG night. felt like shit the next day, but had a great time.