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  1. Her friends said that she was happy, so apparently all she needed for comfort was a trailer park and a gut full of cancer. wow It doesn't get much harsher than that.
  2. You got that right. Many are anxious to point out the faults of multis, and not for the sake of promoting advancements. Go figure?
  3. "Squalls and 'microbursts' don't just pounce on unsuspecting vessels during dinner, watchkeeping sounds pretty lax. " Apparently he has an opinion about how the boat was being sailed. I don't have a problem with Rasp, I have a problem with anyone that is willing to, without evidence, immediately start in with the fault finding and "wouldn't have happened to me" BS. Maybe it is a defence mechanism we all use to make ourselves feel better. Maybe I was too quick to come at Rasp. But don't pretend like this is not an annoyance that is common on this site. Armchair evaluation by even experienced sailors needs to show a little care in saying anything that sounds like an accusation of neglegence until more evidence is available.
  4. Once again Rasputin, your implication that, had you been there it would not have happened, is tiresome and irritating. This is certainly a tragedy to learn from but it sounds as if you already know all that you need to know. And, yes it actually is possible and did occur that a powerful anomalous gust hit them so violently that an effective response was not possible. The sails and trim were conservative for the conditions and watch keeping on a boat that was designed to keep the crew mostly indoors was kept by a very cautious and experienced crew. Had you been there Rasp and had you had the sheet in your hand (being the hero you are) you would have eased it to no avail and most likely found yourself in the water under the boat in a tangle of lines. The point here is that there are events at sea that will undo the most experienced and cautious sailor. All of us run the risk of stepping onto the wrong airliner or being in the exact wrong place on the ocean. Are there things we can do to reduce these events from getting the better of us? Probably. More crew, lower rigs, automatic quick releases?? I don't know the answer. But I am smart enough to know that if these guys can get caught out, anybody can.
  5. Maybe. Do you have enough experience to know? I don't think so. Otherwise you wouldn't be asking. Can a flipped penny come up 100 heads straight? The answer is yes. In your limited view of how you would dominate the odds with your seagoing prowess, you would find yourself treading water. Get over yourself hotshot. If you actually ever get out there for half the miles of these sailors, you will grow into an opinion that has enough background to be of some value to other sailors.
  6. When you express an opinion about a situation you were not present for, care must be taken. You have not shown that care. If it was you that survived an extremely unusual event, the "I know better" BS would irritate you too. These folks were sailing multis around the Pacific in the early 70s. They've seen every possible scenario a thousand times over. They just saw the impossible scenario, the one you don't see coming. Sail enough miles and you'll be hit by an unusual wave at the same moment you are hit by a terrible gust and a floating container appears in your course. Experienced sailors don't have an opinion about events they were not directly involved in. They simply learn from the words of the very experienced. .
  7. So if you were there this would not have happened? Fuck off..you're tiresome. Big talk like this is part for these situations. Know it alls are know it alls until they experience one of these things. Then their story changes. I've weaved my way through many many squall lines with radar. BFD! I've also experienced a near vertical gust approaching 80 knots that started instantly and I survived through pure luck. Just the attitude with so little info that it would not happen to you tells me you are not nearly as experienced as you let on. Once again..Fuck off.
  8. Experienced sailors would not expect that on anything other than a fully crewed race boat in best speed mode.
  9. After a conversation with the crew of Leopard I am convinced the inversion was caused by a microburst or extreme squall. There was no acceleration just before the boat flipped and it inverted almost instantly. They had eased the sails and decided to forego a sail increase until after dinner. The crew described a "roar" and we're immediately inverted. If it can happen to these guys, it can happen to anyone. They don't get more experienced or cautious than this crew.
  10. And so I had to grow up to appreciate the man as more than a great athlete. I talked to him about five or ten minutes in the early 70s and all I could see was the the untouchable master of the ring. He was as kind and engaging a person as I've ever met. His response to being drafted showed so much compassion, and none of the cowardice that he was accused of. “I ain’t draft dodging. I ain’t burning no flag. I ain’t running to Canada. I’m staying right here. You want to send me to jail? Fine, you go right ahead. I’ve been in jail for 400 years. I could be there for 4 or 5 more, but I ain’t going no 10,000 miles to help murder and kill other poor people. If I want to die, I’ll die right here, right now, fightin’ you, if I want to die. You my enemy, not no Chinese, no Vietcong, no Japanese. You my opposer when I want freedom. You my opposer when I want justice. You my opposer when I want equality. Want me to go somewhere and fight for you? You won’t even stand up for me right here in America, for my rights and my religious beliefs. You won’t even stand up for my right here at home." Muhammad Ali.
  11. Saw her dancing on a white grand piano at the Condor in the early 70s. That was quite the rack.
  12. I meant Latin
  13. Oh for fuck sake...wrap your lips around my swollen member. You euro trash self aggrandizing ponce--- talking about your coffee from France or Italy or Cuba or Columbia are all full of shit. We have the dough to buy the real shit. You don't!--- Live with it. ---Just because you came here and went to McD's or Starbucks doesn't mean you know a thing about the coffee available in the USA. REAL coffee is found in equatorial countries and we have the dinero to buy it---so shut the fuck up. Ignoranti cestino bianco. Non si sa dove vivo Speaking of ignorance--- you have no idea what color I am but I do know how ignorant you are.We speak English on this site. if you think Spanish affords you some advantage in your small view of the world then you need to catch up here. And You still don't know shit about the US.
  14. Gotta say I've tasted some of that Island stuff and was really impressed. Nothing quite like it. The thing about good coffee is that there are really a small number of great standout flavors.As much as the the Euros think that they have created the end all taste---the fact is that the science is developing. The roasters that have perfected the light and medium roast flavors with killer outcomes. And by the way---the only thing more disgusting than gas station coffee in England is gas station coffee in France.
  15. Oh for fuck sake...wrap your lips around my swollen member. You euro trash self aggrandizing ponce--- talking about your coffee from France or Italy or Cuba or Columbia are all full of shit. We have the dough to buy the real shit. You don't!--- Live with it. ---Just because you came here and went to McD's or Starbucks doesn't mean you know a thing about the coffee available in the USA. REAL coffee is found in equatorial countries and we have the dinero to buy it---so shut the fuck up.