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  1. Plane Missing

    So, as the Indian Ocean is a "remote part" of the world, just when will a long range sailor, around the world sailor stumble across the debris field? There will be shit floating from this thing for a long time.
  2. Aegean lawsuit

    In that case, make it 8 soles. Or 4 souls.
  3. Aegean lawsuit

    I can't stand this. Here's how I see it in my humble opinion - My husband moronically drove his boat right into the side of an island. On board he had modern navigation equipment, he had the ability to read charts and see that this Island was there and that he was heading straight for it. He had decades of experience. He hit the panic button on the SPOT, the way he set the SPOT up was when the Panic button was hit, the responders were to call his/my house. But you know, it was in the middle of the night when my phone rang, I didn't bother to get it. So I let the opportunity pass to get involved in tracking down his whereabouts. But due to his own ineptitude, not only did he drive the boat right into the island, destroying the boat completely, he took 4 soles with it. It must be someone else's fault.
  4. Joke

    The Irish candle!! The Lass was Walking down O'Connell Street in Dublin when she met up with Father Flaherty. The Father said, "Top o'the mornin' to ye! Aren't ye Mrs. Donovan and didn't I marry ye and yer husband 2 years ago?" She replied, "Aye, that ye did, Father." The Father asked, "And be there any wee ones yet?" She replied, "No, not yet, Father." The Father said, "Well now, I'm going to Rome next week and I'll light a candle for ye and yer husband." She replied, "Oh, thank ye, Father." They then parted ways. Some years later they met again. The Father asked, "Well now, Mrs. Donovan,how are ye these days?" She replied, "Oh, very well, Father!" The Father asked, "And tell me, have ye any wee ones yet?" She replied, "Oh yes, Father! Three sets of twins and 4 singles, 10 in all!" The Father said, "That's wonderful! How is yer loving husband doing?" She replied, "E's gone to Rome to blow out yer fookin candle."
  5. Artemis?

    Has anyone followed a NTSB report on an airplane crash from beginning to end? They remain tight lipped all the way through. They do put out an interim report, and later a final report. And it takes at least a YEAR to get that far. Did you ever see the PBS video of the reconstruction of an aircraft that had a fire inside? By putting together everything, they traced it to some wires just above the door between the cabin and the flight deck. As I recall they had abraded. And how long do you think it took to gather the pieces, reassemble them in an inside hanger, and look find that one little spot? And you think that a couple of observational interviews are going to give you this type of conclusive evidence in Artemis? The America's Cup could be over by the time the report comes out on Artemis.
  6. 65- by 32-foot catamaran 3200sqft of living space

    I haven't gone through this thread, but would presume that the structural ribs etc. are probably there for show, not for go. By putting stays for the masts out to the corners of the hulls, when that thing starts flexing in seas, the tension on the wires will cause the mast to break through compression. I'd love to see that thing out in 20' seas with a good helicopter and a better video cam to catch it on.
  7. Joke

    My wife said to me, "Honey, make love to me like they do in the movies." I flipped her over and stuck it in her butt, later on flipped her over and sprayed her in the face. That's when I found out we watch different movies.
  8. Aegean lawsuit

    Here's the U.S. Sailing two paragraph report - http://media.ussailing.org/Latest_News/2012/USS_Newport_061212.htm They said that the boat ran into the island. Don't know how you can say it was bungled, seems to be right to the point.
  9. Aegean lawsuit

    I've tried to imagine being on that boat in the last 5 minutes of its existance. I imagine at least 1-3 below in their bunks grabbing shut eye and one on deck tethered. Wind was minimal, seas had swells, not so much to be difficult. I imagine the autopilot steering (based on the satellite track). What was the one person on deck doing (if there were two I imagine the second one sleeping in the cockpit)? Was he jamming to some tunes? Was it cockpit speakers or an I-device? Was he reading a book with a book light? Sitting in the cockpit it appears that the dodger was up and with those vinyl windows that are never crystal clear. The GPS plotter had been set hours earlier for this doomed course. How was the driver maintaining a look out? Did he think if he didn't see anything lights through the vinyl window that he was good? Did he ever stand up and look over the top of the dodger to have a better view? I suspect that it was cool, long pants, long sleeve jackets, possibly glove and at least a peak cap. If damp, maybe some foulies on. No moon. Engine humming (they're so quiet in cars, why are they so loud in boats?). North Coronado Island is a wildlife refuge without any bays, where people are not allowed to go ashore. It is small, a half mile long with total of only .18 sq. mile. Its peak 500 feet above the water. At one point they were called the Desert Islands, snakes, rabbits, lizards, mice and birds. There is litle vegetation, sea dahlias, cactus, and wild cucumber. While many islands produce their own "odor" I try to imagine if these islands have an "odor." Small animal droppings don't seem to be a source. Did the driver fall asleep? Take a 15 ninute nap and set his alarm? The gentle rolling of the swells, little activity on the horizon, and then BOOM. The autopsies said that Rudolph had head and neck injuries, Stewart drowning with head injuries as a contributing factor, Mavromatis died from multiple injuries, and Johnson, died of multiple bodily injuries. How long did it take for them to die? Is 6 knots to zero knots in a snap of a second into a wall enough force for the injuries to have them succumb? Aren't car bumpers to hold up to a 5MPH hit? It was reported that the panic button on the Spot was pressed, it seems someone was still able to do things at the crash site. Was it the repeated hits into the wall? The boat must have stayed afloat for some time, pounding over and over again to cause the boat to be found broken up in a long debris field. It is amazing that things like this happen.
  10. Aegean lawsuit

    Not true, according to the USCG. Is there some online database to check? What's the link?
  11. Aegean lawsuit

    I would call a qualifier series leading up to a championship a "skills test" of sorts. Some international-scope events such as the Vendée Globe require similar "skills test"s. And which championship are you referring to that goes overnight, requires navigation skills, to plot a route and make sure the route is safe? Every championship I can think of is sailed in daylight hours, out the harbor and return to the same harbor on a day trip. Most major international solo races have qualifiers that do all that. Not sure you call them 'championships' but they certainly make you prove your skills. You're both seeking the needle in the haystack. The vast majority of races in the U.S. have no experience qualifiers. Almost all races are show up and go. What the heck, are the two of you trying to support DoRag?
  12. Aegean lawsuit

    I would call a qualifier series leading up to a championship a "skills test" of sorts. Some international-scope events such as the Vendée Globe require similar "skills test"s. And which championship are you referring to that goes overnight, requires navigation skills, to plot a route and make sure the route is safe? Every championship I can think of is sailed in daylight hours, out the harbor and return to the same harbor on a day trip.
  13. Aegean lawsuit

    I believe the boat was owned by the skipper, but made available to others for charter through Marina Sailing. So for the purposes of N2E 2012, it was not a charter but a private vessel operated by the owner. I don't think there's any indication that the crew were paying passengers. I agree that it's clear that the skipper and crew contributed to the accident. Question (for the lawyers) is who else with deeper pockets might have some theoretical liability, and preferably a willingness to settle rather than litigate. Given that the race has been run for many years and thousands (likely tens of thousands) of boats have navigated it safely it seems like it would be hard to prove gross negligence by any of the organizers. When you point to the history of the event, remember thatb is was restricted to boats that sailed to Ensenada. In other words, a hand on a tiller. As the race entries dwindled, NOSA sought to increase attendance by expanding the cruiser classes. Then added the NASBOAT option allowing the use of motors. That enticed a whole new set of folks, arguably less experienced, to eneter the race. As NOSA knowingly enticed novices to enter the race, what duty did they have to ensure they were aware of the hazards of racing at night in heavily used commercial shipping lanes, with dark islands, hazards off Rosarita Beach, etc. What did NOSA to ensure they were competent to participate? What training and cautions did NOSA promulgate? Everyone knows that it requires a license and passing certain tests in order to drive a car. No such requirements exits for driving a boat. NOSA understood taht and encouraged novices to go in harm's way. No, the officers and directors of NOSA are the deep pockets in this litigation and could be held accountable. Come to think of it: I don't know of any sailboat racing event in the U.S. that requires any "skills test." I'm not familiar with any USCG Regulation or State Regulation that requires any "skills test" or "licensing" (for adults) for operating a pleasure (non-commercial) sailboat. While the USCG and NASBLA would wish to grow their government bureaucracies with a suggestion like yours, The People have been fighting and resisting this government intrusion for decades. Do you have a dog in this fight? Membership in a bona fide yacht club used to help cover who could race in the past. In New Jersey now you need a boat class, test and annual license to operate anything on the water with a motor. A motoring test is highly different than a sailing test.
  14. Aegean lawsuit

    I believe the boat was owned by the skipper, but made available to others for charter through Marina Sailing. So for the purposes of N2E 2012, it was not a charter but a private vessel operated by the owner. I don't think there's any indication that the crew were paying passengers. I agree that it's clear that the skipper and crew contributed to the accident. Question (for the lawyers) is who else with deeper pockets might have some theoretical liability, and preferably a willingness to settle rather than litigate. Given that the race has been run for many years and thousands (likely tens of thousands) of boats have navigated it safely it seems like it would be hard to prove gross negligence by any of the organizers. When you point to the history of the event, remember thatb is was restricted to boats that sailed to Ensenada. In other words, a hand on a tiller. As the race entries dwindled, NOSA sought to increase attendance by expanding the cruiser classes. Then added the NASBOAT option allowing the use of motors. That enticed a whole new set of folks, arguably less experienced, to eneter the race. As NOSA knowingly enticed novices to enter the race, what duty did they have to ensure they were aware of the hazards of racing at night in heavily used commercial shipping lanes, with dark islands, hazards off Rosarita Beach, etc. What did NOSA to ensure they were competent to participate? What training and cautions did NOSA promulgate? Everyone knows that it requires a license and passing certain tests in order to drive a car. No such requirements exits for driving a boat. NOSA understood taht and encouraged novices to go in harm's way. No, the officers and directors of NOSA are the deep pockets in this litigation and could be held accountable. Come to think of it: I don't know of any sailboat racing event in the U.S. that requires any "skills test." I'm not familiar with any USCG Regulation or State Regulation that requires any "skills test" or "licensing" (for adults) for operating a pleasure (non-commercial) sailboat. While the USCG and NASBLA would wish to grow their government bureaucracies with a suggestion like yours, The People have been fighting and resisting this government intrusion for decades. Do you have a dog in this fight?
  15. Aegean lawsuit

    I did a Google search to see if the USCG lists Captains online. I could not find a search to do that. Newspaper reports say Theofanis Mavromatis held an USCG Captain License: http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_20514734/daughter-lost-yacht-skipper-says-father-had-lifetime Additionally he had done N2E previously. If I recall the crew had done one too previously. They weren't "green" no matter how DoRag may want to put a spin on it.