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    Once of SF Bay, now of N.S.
  1. I visited a local shop today with the following photos to seek their advice. For the two where it looks like foam has made an appearance and the one surrounded by bottom paint they suggested the putty (polyester resin with mixed glass fibers) and gave me similar prep advice to a few of you. For the photo clearly showing glass and the small gouge, they told me to bring back a chip of paint and they would mix a small amount of gelcoat for me. That would also be used to finish the first round of repair work. The 1/4 of putty was $20. I also ran across this packs product before heading to the shop. I had not heard of it, but I thought I would try it out. However, after picking up the putty I'm going to return this $31 package.
  2. Thanks, guys. Still reading, still figuring out if I want to tackle this. I'm going to ask around for a good local shop and see what they want for the job.
  3. New 20 foot trailer sailer to me (OSTAC) multiple repairs to be made. Any advice on what to do with each? The missing corner is about the size of a quarter, the chip showing strands is penny sized and the edge one is quite a bit smaller. Finally, there is one below the water line on the bow that is also small, but I'm not sure if it goes through to glass fibers.
  4. Crowther 33

    Oh, I saw that earlier on yachtworld - looks like a nice boat, and reasonably priced. I've seen a few Contours over the last year or so for sale - that's the best price and condition (that one can tell online). Beautiful boat, Canadian builder of Quorning, but out of my price range. There again, so much trimaran for so little - compared to Corsair.
  5. Crowther 33

    Mitch Yep - I've been watching it since last summer as well. Do you have any knowledge of this boat that I should be aware of - or should have been last month? Dick Ishuge: Tucky did attribute that quote directly from Ian's website. Is that what you meant to say? clubbabyseals (I'm half Newfie); The hobbyhorsing we did have was motoring slowly upwind in chop - other than that all was okay. I am very much looking forward to cruising the Delta. Before I sail it north in June, I'm first taking the family to Catalina for a week. We've never been - can't wait. What is the name of your boat? As for the Farallones and all other DH and SH races- I'm glad you mention that; it is the intended reason for purchase (weekending a great, great bonus). I was very impressed with how high we could point - inside of 30 degrees and still maintaining speed. We had 11 knots of wind and keeping 7 knots. However, I did forget my GPS at home. Does this seem out of whack? -phillip
  6. Crowther 33

    Mine is a B33 streteched to 35 forwad of the mast. I'm curious as to the dismountablitiy of the boat - none of the owners of Jabberwock have done so - how easy/fast is it to do? Do you have a trailer? Jabberwock has some struts in addition - I don't think this is standard(?). (Jabberwock is the boat above, seen from the aft). On the one sail I've had with her, I was surprised with the hobbyhorsing - I guess that's something I'll have to learn to appreciate. Do you race with yours? Or sail in the SF Bay? -phillip
  7. Crowther 33

    Phillip In the last Crowther design catalog i saw before he died only had 3 trimarans the twiggy mk2, bullfrog and avatar so it was fairly obvious they were all he wanted to push with 3 hulls. For some of us hearing that someone is interested in possibly building a crowther buccaneer is a bit like someone wanting to call Ian Farrier about some plans for a trailertri 720.A twiggy mk2 at 31ftlwl and 29ft beam or a bullfrog at 40ft with 35ft beam we could understand yet a buccaneer? The Bullfrog design is probably at least 25 years old by now and with a modern carbon rotating rig along with a semi circular main traveller should still perform well and this boat was homebuilt by Ian from strip plank balsa/cedar epoxy.I think it still looks modern compared to modern boats and 2 did live aboard it so has cruising qualities. Lock did design this for a wingmast that was taller Note the reef point in headsail. Whoa whoa - I didn't even consider building one - but I did buy the Crowther 35 above, this past weekend; for many of the reasons listed. For those readers not so familiar (as I) Ian Johnston built the Bullfrog - not Ian Farrier. Thank you for this photo - spectacular. Do you know how many Bullfrog designs were built, or what happened to the one photographed? -phillip
  8. Crowther 33

    Accomodations. The boat above has heaps more interior space than an F-31 and has beaten them on time in San Francisco Bay races - rated faster than an F-27. Not to mention that this one has cruised up and down the California and Mexico coastline. Oh, and it has standing headroom. Price. Find an F-27 or F-31 for a similar price. As for any other trimarans; I see Pivers for less, and there are Brown tri's for less, but nothing of similar speed and utility. Construction. I like all of the great advantages that West system and cold molded boats offer. As for the age, the Gougeon brothers boat, Adagio, has been winning since 1969. Weight. When this was recently taken out for a bottom job it weighed in at about 5500 lbs - and with anchors and other cruising gear aboard. Do lighter boats exist - sure. Beam. The limit of an F-boat or any folding trimaran is the 8'2" trailer width; The Crowther 35 has a 24 foot beam; great for stability and sail area. I'm not knocking the Farrier boats, or any other trimarans for that matter. What I am knocking is the perception that old is bad. Luckily for me, because so many people do equate old with cheap and old with slow, these boats are relatively inexpensive. When you pay tens of thousands for a new boat, the price increase has more to do with the costs of operations and materials much more so than with the costs of leaps of speed via new technologies. I might also add that I own a 1977 Pavoni lever espresso machine; regularly use my 1960s Rolliflex TLR and I have a 1954 Graxflex camera. Oh, and I'm in my 30's. -phillip
  9. Crowther 33

    For any future readers looking for information on Crowther boats, this was the reply (with permission) from my query sent to Stuart Bloomfield (as suggested above), I don't have any first hand knowledge of the Buccaneer 33 design, but I spoke to a couple of friends who were familiar with the design. Basically, the Buckaneer 33 design performed very well when it was designed and sailed competitively in coastal races. I believe she would be capable of crossing oceans, but is probably better suited to coastal passages due to her size. I know that trimarans of that vintage need to be sailed a bit more conservatively than some of today's designs as the floats had less bouyancy (although some farrier designs have less than 100% buoyancy even today). It is difficult to compare her speed with the farrier designs without seeing the boats race against each other, as the performance of multihulls has increased quite a bit over the last couple of decades, although I would suggest that the Bucc 33 would have been closer to the front of the fleet when when they were first raced than most farriers are today (in Australia in any case).
  10. Crowther 33

    Any Specific info you need? one of my friends here in Auckland owns a nice foam and glass one, he doesnt race but I think with decent sails it could embarrass a lot of the racing multi fleet on the right day... Crowther was a genius tri designer decades ahead of his time. The two questions that I have are how they will stand up in wind and swell - and how they compare to Corsairs on the speedometer. We have a number of great ocean races in San Francisco, but with the Pacific fetch and gazillions of gallons of water coming and going through a very narrow passage under the GG Bridge, we often have nasty waves that are both confused and breaking. -phillip
  11. Crowther 33

    I have found little information on the Lock Crowther Buccaneer 33 - does someone here have any leads or information about this boat? Thanks, phillip