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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Family Farm$

    BTW: Thanks for the insights!
  2. Pachyderm disaster (poll)

    Bear hunting with a spear is definitely a serious dude. I know a similar guy that boar hunts with a knife but I don't think he's that crazy He actually carries anti-bear stuff when he boar hunts. The reality is that one dude with a spear just isn't an 'ecological disaster' waiting to happen. In fact, I'd bet money that that guy is quite environmentally friendly. I'm not a fan of trophy hunting but, as Clove pointed out, there is a 'pay for' aspect to it that can make a lot of sense. As much as everyone wants to protect Bambi, herds of animals in captivity - even free range captivity - don't have the normal societal turnover of herds in the wild. That stagnation has it's own implications for the herd'. When you eliminate the natural hunters, you must assume that role to maintain biodiversity and herd health. That already happens but we don't like to talk about it and it's paid for in tax dollars to the county instead of lottery tickets. To that end, there are responsible reserves that allow extremely focused culling and use the money they raise to pay for the herd maintenance. The problem, of course, is that for every responsible herd / land steward, there's at least one guy who's willing to cut corners or, worse, just flat out poach rare animals and given the degree to which we've already wiped out large herds, not much of that can or should be tolerated. I'm perfectly fine with slut shaming big game hunters - not because I like slut shaming or hate the concept of trophy hunting but because the fundamentals human nature requires it. If we venerate big game hunters, it helps promote those guys who want to cut corners and poach - it always does. The people who truly want the rush and can afford reserve hunting are free to do what they want in my book. There aren't that many of them and for those, the 'legitimate' stewards provide a win-win service. The Trump boys just seem so objectively not masculine that its just a ridiculous caricature. Nice knife there Don - cuts without even getting any blood on it! You must feel very special. Did the Sherpa steady the gun while you pulled the trigger too or did he just take the shot cause your gun actually had blanks and you'd have fucked up the kill?
  3. Pachyderm disaster (poll)

    complete agreement.
  4. Why the Focus on Gunz?

    Just a bit of humor
  5. Next up! Al Franken

    I think he was part of it. For me, the kindling for the current inferno started with Cosby but Trump certainly poured gasoline on the fire and got it blazing.
  6. Next up! Al Franken

  7. This is an example of why we don't trust Gun Grabberz

    IMHO, ballistics are absolutely one of the worst arguments ever when it comes to gun control. Male deer weigh between 150 and 300 lbs. Female deer weigh 90 to 130 lbs. Virtually any bullet / cartridge designed to hunt a 150 - 300 lb deer and kill it quickly and effectively will be quick and effective against any other 150-300 lb mammal - like a typical male human. Any bullet / cartridge combination that's designed to kill at 90-130 lb deer will be very effective against a 90-130 lb mammal - like a typical human female. People hunt with all kinds of combinations depending on the circumstance. Trying to ban anything by 'bullet diameter' is a deep on convoluted rats nest.
  8. Impeachment!

    Repeal and Replace for the left! Who said there isn't symmetry in politics.
  9. Why the Focus on Gunz?

    This is a 1 minute google search - so yea, mass murder by cell phone. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/world/europe/bavaria-germany-train-crash.html "Eleven people died, and 80 were injured, some seriously, in the crash, which occurred on a single-track stretch of railway near Bad Aibling in Bavaria, about 35 miles southeast of Munich. A week later, the state prosecutor Wolfgang Giese said that the dispatcher, identified only as a 39-year-old man, had violated work rules and had most likely caused the crash." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-train-crash/train-engineer-was-texting-just-before-california-crash-idUSN0152835520081002 "The Metrolink commuter train plowed into a Union Pacific freight locomotive on September 12 in Chatsworth, California, killing 25 people and injuring 135 in the worst train accident since 1993." https://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/texting.asp "In this case the captioning was accurate. The accompanying photograph captures the aftermath of an accident that took place near Gray Summit, Missouri, on 5 August 2010 which killed the pickup driver and a 15-year-old student and left 38 other people injured. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) determined the collision was caused by a “manually, cognitively and visually distracted” teenage driver who had sent and received eleven text messages just prior to the crash:"
  10. Why the Focus on Gunz?

    Personally, I tend to look at guns in the same vein as Alcohol or Distracted Driving. We know we shouldn't talk on cell phones and drive. We do anyway because we like it. About 3500 people per year are killed by distracted driving, approximately 390,000 injured. That's the price of cell phone freedom (https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/distracted_driving/index.html) The LA times puts Alcohol deaths at 88,000 per year or about 3x the number of gun deaths. Again, it's the price we pay for 'enjoying' the freedom to drink (http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-alcohol-related-deaths-years-lost-sxsw-20140313-story.html) The only difference is that some people 'like' alcohol and others 'like' guns. Some people don't think you need guns. I don't think you need alcohol. But the popular vote wins and the constitution effectively enshrines both rights.
  11. Why the Focus on Gunz?

    So, here's the deal with suicides. The fact is that more women ATTEMPT suicides than men. Yet men are 6x more likely to succeed at completing the act. That difference is almost entirely accounted for by guns. Why? Guns are really good at killing people, particularly killing oneself. They're very fast and very effective. It's actually kinda hard to knife yourself to death. It hurts. It's actually kinda hard to overdose. You tend to puke. Hanging? Knots slip, ropes break, etc. Fear of heights can actually overcome the desire to commit suicide. So, what does that have to do with anything? From http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0805923 "First, many suicidal acts — one third to four fifths of all suicide attempts, according to studies — are impulsive. Among people who made near-lethal suicide attempts, for example, 24% took less than 5 minutes between the decision to kill themselves and the actual attempt, and 70% took less than 1 hour. Second, many suicidal crises are self-limiting. Such crises are often caused by an immediate stressor, such as the breakup of a romantic relationship, the loss of a job, or a run-in with police. As the acute phase of the crisis passes, so does the urge to attempt suicide. The temporary nature and fleeting sway of many suicidal crises is evident in the fact that more than 90% of people who survive a suicide attempt, including attempts that were expected to be lethal (such as shooting oneself in the head or jumping in front of a train), do not go on to die by suicide. Indeed, recognizing the self-limiting nature of suicidal crises, penal and psychiatric institutions restrict access to lethal means for persons identified as potentially suicidal." ---------------- That's why I'm personally of the opinion that to buy a gun, you need to sign an affidavit that you are not currently suicidal. It's amazing what even that single document can do to someone who IS suicidal and how totally irrelevant it would be to gun purchases otherwise. It's easy, virtually free, and generally helpful to those who actually need the help. Based on the studies, you're incorrect about changing the behavior.
  12. Health care sticker shock

    Thanks for the insights and I bolded the absolute truth. That is very true and totally irrational.
  13. Health care sticker shock

    After reading the Japanese health care summary, it occurred to me that there is the possibility that the US health care system isn't the anomaly. Rather, the US is actually the forerunner and as other countries adopt our advanced medical procedures, they ALL follow down the ballooning cost model.
  14. Health care sticker shock

    It doesn't suck. It's actually pretty average once you actually correct for some of the accounting magic. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/02/19/national/japans-buckling-health-care-system-crossroads/#.WgmNUManGM8 "Yusuke Tsugawa, a physician and research associate at Harvard University who specializes in health care economics, takes a different view of the Japanese system. He says the days Japan can boast low-cost, high-quality health care are over, pointing to the nation’s soaring medical spending in relation to its gross domestic product. According to the OECD Health Statistics 2016 database released in June, Japan’s total health spending accounted for 11.2 percent of its GDP in 2015, ranking third out of 35 OECD members and trailing only the U.S. (16.9 percent) and Switzerland (11.5 percent). Japan’s ranking shot up from eighth the year before in large part because it previously had not counted spending on nursing care for the elderly — for which a separate insurance program was launched in 2000 — as part of its health care costs. “The argument that Japan’s health care is low-cost and has helped achieve longevity is no longer true,” Tsugawa said by phone. “We know through research that longevity is not caused by health care systems, but mostly by diet, education, daily lifestyle habits and genes. Cost is now becoming a weakness of Japan’s health care.” ------ But the downside of this long-running system is that, while the government controls the cost of medical goods and services, it doesn’t control the volume of services provided, Tsugawa said. This has fostered a culture in Japan of patients seeking more care than necessary because access is unlimited, he explained.
  15. This is an example of why we don't trust Gun Grabberz

    I said 'intellectually honest'. Making later generations give up a right you enjoyed to fix a problem YOU are currently suffering is deceitful and disingenuous. Clean up your own mess and don't shit in other people's bed, so to speak.