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  1. boatbuilding

    The term "great big brass ones" comes to mind, Zeyang... be careful. Is the shed strong enough to lower her down the other side, with come alongs from the top of the shed structure, or are you planning on jacks under the (now nearly horizontal) keel? Or both? Just don't let anybody be brave and macho and foolish enough to get under her. If she decides to roll, being 20 years old and nearly invincible won't be enough to stop her. Slow, deliberate, and careful will win this battle... but it seems like that's the way you're appoaching it, so carry on.
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    Semi, around here it rarely gets too cold for epoxy... except when it's in the teens for a few days in a row, and that's usually only 2 or 3 times a winter. I use the slow cure West sytem, and with the boat sealed up and well insulated 2 little electric cube heaters get it up into the 50's by noon time, and it keeps climbing. There are days when I wait and do all the epoxy work for that day late in the day, say 5 to 7, then leave the heat on and come out at mid night and shut it down. In the shop it's not too much of a problem, as long as I'm willing to pay for the heat... I've never had anything fail to cure as long as I kept the temps in the 50's for a few hours until it kicks. Now if I were doing a wood hull all west system outdoors with no heat, there would be problems. I try not to do too much in the boat if it's in the low 20's or below outside, but there's always something to do in the shop. When I was welding the hull with no heat 25 was my cut off... too much moisture in the welds without pre heat... but again, there was always something to do in the shop. Best, Bob
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    Bitches, I've been following your thread all along and it sounds like you're doing just fine with that boat. Just keep assuming there's nothing you can't handle, and you'll get it done. The table has not been high on my priority list and the fact that I'm thinking about it at all indicates that we are inching ever so slowly closer to sort of finished. The boat's big enough that the table won't be in the way, but the problem is that my wife wants to be able to turn a dining room into a living room, so she wants it to be able to drop and probably fold to make more like a coffee table. She's put up with an awful lot of craziness over the years; I figure it's the least I can do to keep her happy as far as the boat is concerned. But I haven't actually designed the thing yet, much less built it... we'll see. Along the same lines, the guy on the mooring next to us has a beautiful Seguin 46... one of only 2 built with the short house. Gorgeous boat. He removed his salon table for a passage south last year... said it was always in the way... and hasn't put it back yet. But his wife is not into the boat and is rarely aboard. And we have a lot more room to play with, to get it out of the way. Zeyang, that box keel will help stiffen her but I still hope you weld some temporary stuff across inside before you roll her, and don't depend just on the wood frames to hold her shape unless you know they're awfully stout and well attached.
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    Good quote, Zeyang. Friends of ours (3 guys) spent 11 years building a big (56') ketch, then named her Perseverance... a great name for that kind of project. Even keeping it simple, your boat is an awfully large project for 1 guy. One of the things that worked for me, once you get a little further along, is to always have 3 or more sub projects going at the same time... 1 that your planning, sourcing parts or materials, figuring out how you're going to do it, etc., a second that you're more or less in the middle of, and a third that you're winding down on... it just needs more varnish, or final install. That way when you're stuck on one you just move to one of the other 2 and don't waste too much time being unproductive. Let the one you're stuck on sit for a day or 2 and your sub conscious will figure out the answer. I think that's one of the biggest things... just having the confidence to know that sooner or later you'll figure out a way to do it. Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes, art is knowing which one's to keep. I try to spend 2-3 hours every day after work, at least 10 hours on saturday, and 6-8 on sunday, and it works for me... but I watch no TV and I don't sleep much. And in the summer I live on the boat, do hardly any work, and just enjoy her. Good luck... you've done an impressive job so far.
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    Evans, thanks for that... I appreciate it. Oddly enough, I was just reading parts of your blog last night, and I've always admired how you forged ahead and built that purposeful, practical boat and then went out and did it. I would have contracted it out and had someone else build my hull if there had been any good metal yards around in this country in 1979, but Howdy Bailey was just starting out, as was Kanter, and Huromic was too far away. So I did it myself, and then got side tracked by life. Kids do need some security and stability, but perhaps we've given them more than they actually needed. Ah well. I was struck by something Beth wrote a few months ago, in St. Thomas: "No commute, no pollution, no cubicle, no suit, no boss, no cranky office mates, no set schedule. No car payment, no mortgage, no monthly bills... but also no health insurance, no retirement plan, no vacation days. Well, you can't have everything." Health insurance and retirement plans (especially retirement plans) are pretty over rated these days, as many of us sat and watched them go to hell in the last 18 months. Friends of ours are good friends of Fatty Goodlander, and I remember him telling a story of when they were sending their daughter off to college, standing on the deck of the boat she very tentatively brought up the idea of an allowance and supposedly he replied " well sure, if you could send us $25 or $50 a week we could use it, but we'll survive." Good luck in France.
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    Zeyang, the guy who took 30 years to build that boat is me, and I'm the guy that suggested a possible welding sequence to you back in post 104 of this thread. There's more on our boat in the link at the bottom of this post, but I seriously need to update that web site... trouble is I'm too busy building to find the time. And Bob, I think it's absolutely true that there are 2 types of people who build boats... those who like the process, and those who see the building as a means to an end... going sailing as soon as possible. The problem is that as you get up towards 45-50', the man hours needed to finish are just about overwhelming for one person who's trying to hold down a good enough job to support a mortgage and a family, tend to that family, and still find the money and at least 25-30 hours a week, 100-120 a month, to complete the job. Half a man hour per pound of displacement is not unreasonable, for a simple build from the ground up, which in my case would work out to 20,000 man hours. But I chose to go far from simple, and have closer to 35,000 hours in the whole job. Finding those hours takes many years. I've only been able to afford paying other people for about 5,000 of them... the rest are mine. My life was quite different when I started... I knew that it was a huge project but I was making very good money flying airplanes and assumed I could pay competent help for large parts of the project. That income dried up and I found myself a couple of hundred thousand into it, with maybe 4000 hours, and no income. Now what? Just walk away, or keep going at whatever speed is doable? I chose to keep going. It takes so long working alone that everything changes during the process... of course costs go up, but design trends change, needs and wants change, gear and equipment changes, rigs, engines, everything is pretty different now from when I started, 30 years ago. But I end up with a boat I want and know, down to every last detail, and everywhere my eye comes to rest I find something that makes me smile. Plus I spent a very large amount of time on the water during those 30 years, including sailing from Halifax to Grenada, Marion-Bermuda, and 8 35 day swordfish trips to the Grand Banks in the fall. Living in New England, I feel that boatbuilding is really winter's work, and I developed a schedule that had me going as hard as possible on the boat from late september to end of May, than hang it up completely and spend every possible minute on the water in the season. Worked for me, because burn out is a real factor if you don't get away from the project... you have to just keep breaking it down into smaller sub projects and keep putting one foot in front of the other. We've been in the water 3 seasons now, and I'm still working... the first part of this winter on a laid teak and holly sole. My wife would really like a salon table, which we don't have yet, so that's probably next. So where do I stand? Well it took this long, so I guess you could say that I'm the guy that prefers building to sailing... but once we get our last kid out of college, we'll see. Meanwhile, life has been great, and I don't regret a minute of it. This is a tremendously rewarding and satisfying thing to do, but it's clearly not for everyone. Best, Bob
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    Zeyang: nice job. I'd be a little concerned about the welding, though. I think I'd try starting at the top, as you said, and marking off each seam into comfortable increments... maybe 6-8", not 1 meter. I'd backstep each weld, and jump around constantly, always trying to keep things equal on both sides of the boat and on each seam. By backstep I mean I'd start on one increment, weld from right to left, and then skip 3 spaces and weld the next one from right to left, etc. Not sure how many I'd do before moving to the other side, but probably not very many... maybe 5. I'd hit each area with a tufted stainless wire brush on a 4 1/2" grinder immediately before I welded it. Then go back and weld the ones in between, again moving right to left with the welds and jumping to the right... that way you end up with every other one done. Then notch the ends of all those welds with an 1/8" wheel, or better yet a carbide cutter, and weld every other one in between, so you have 3 out of 4 done. Then close it up. Maybe hang the wire feed on some kind of trolley over the whole thing... it's going to be an awful lot of jumping around. You'll be seeing molten aluminum flowing in your dreams. If the whole thing seems strong enough (and it should) I think I'd try to wait to do the inside until after you roll her... that way it's all down hand. You might find, with 8 mm plate, that you can do much longer increments than 6-8", but I'd be concerned that it would do strange thing a long distance away from where you're working. You'll hear the metal talking to you as you go... strange pings, creaks, and general complaints from the material as things move. And move they will. No matter how you do it it's a lot of welding, and you don't want pinholes letting salt water into those areas where they overlap. Good luck. Best, Bob