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  1. I hope no major issues. This is their last wing correct?
  2. This is the part I have a big problem with. I applaud the AR guys both on and off the water for getting big blue ready to go and to be foiling already. I wish them luck and hope they actually add something to the event beyond just another competitor. All that being said, if you are scheduled to be on the race course you should be on the race course or back at base. A team, ANY team, should not be allowed to just say FU to the racing so that they can spend more time training. I understand that they have been through a tremendous amount in the last few months and everyone (myself included) want to see them out racing. I just find it very hard to believe that they are allowed to go out and sail around the course and put in some practice time when they are scheduled to be RACING. If nothing else they should have to be on the mooring during the time scheduled for the race, you can practice before or after (as the other teams do) but not when you are scheduled to be on the course racing. My 2 cents
  3. does not look like a starter against LR today. Today is a reserve day. http://www.americascup.com/en/schedules/races
  4. As I just said, if AR were to win, they would find the weight savings somewhere by that time. Anyone not believe that to be the case is deluding themselves. TT will piss away fortunes to make sure that is the case, if that is what it takes. I agree that IF they win (and that is a very big if) they will find a way to shed the weight. This does make things very strange (or much stranger). My read is this: We will let you compete in an event that if you win will qualify you to race in the AC which you don't qualify for because you do not conform to the class rule. <-- That is very odd in my book.
  5. AR will never measure in under the AC72 rule. They have however agreed to allow them to race in the LVC anyway. http://noticeboard.americascup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/RN207-Agreement-pursuant-to-Article-25.6-of-the-Protocol.pdf
  6. Won't need to if ETNZ win tomorrow.
  7. There are 20 days before the start of the Semis. So if they need 15 days to get ready they will need to launch soon and use EVERY day to train. Right now they have 5 days to burn, and I know that there is not a 15 days = "some set of skills to sail an AC72 in race ready mode" But assuming the time line from above, they have no time to be picky. I am sure they will be, can't take the boat out in 22+ the first day, but IMO they have very little time to waste and will still very likely be far from ready to race.
  8. Any statement from the team on the IJ decision yet?
  9. I think NO addressed your concerns very directly here... http://www.sail-world.com/Europe/Americas-Cup:-Behind-the-Artemis--door---the-Swedish-team-unveiled/111672 (Note the credits at the bottom! ) Nathan Outteridge: The other teams know that we are going to be off the pace initially, But we can get the boat in the water in a couple of weeks and go sailing, and test our structures, get the boat foiling and start to do our maneuvers , then we will be in a position to head up to the City Front and do the racing. Until we get confident in the boat and our ability in the boat we don’t want to risk anyone’s safety. We’re going out early in the morning in he boat. Get the boat foiling and see how we go. It is too hard to say when we will definitely be racing. Of course anything can happen. We have to be realistic about our chances. The pecking order has to be Emirates Team New Zealand, Luna Rossa and then us, as the underdog. But until we get our boat in the water it is impossible to say how we are going to go.. The boat is going to go through structural testing next week. We are going to flip the boat upside down and have to tick all the boxes, and we are half way through that process. Then we have to get her on the water, get the wingsail on, do the load testing. Then it is the sailing team’s turn to take over. The thing for us that is positive is that we have been able to turn the AC45 into a foiling boat, and we went foiling on the first day, and we did almost 30knots with very good control and stability. We have refined that thinking on the 45 ad moved it to the 72, so when we have passed all our tests, when we get out there we will be in good shape. We are going to need five, six or seven days to get through the basic stuff, but the way I see it, it is not how many days, but how productive you can be in those days. It is tough to say how many days it is going to take. But obviously the lighter the wind is , the sooner we are going to be able to race. In 8-10 kts the boat should be manageable. If we have 20kts on day 5, I am sure we will have a bit on Hopefully by the time we get to August we will be able to handle 15-18kts quite comfortably. All we want to do is compete in this America’s Cup. I joined this America’s Cup thinking what a great concept, they are trying to achieve. It is obvious that they have overstepped the mark with the equipment. It is a little outrageous for the venue, But I think the concept is great. What they are trying to do is awesome. Our whole team just wants to go racing, but we have got an issue and can’t get there. Exactly, so why the fuck are they still here? Everyday that goes by without them sailing their NEW FOILING AC72 makes them that more underprepared and dangerous. They know it, so they should go! All you need is pitchforks and torches and you'll be all set. Well, by their own statements it will take 5-7 days to "get through the basic stuff" That is about the amount of time they have to sail before racing based on the "new" schedule. Looking back at all of the teams and their training, you get maybe 4 days a week of sailing (out of 7), so they will make it through part of the basic stuff before they have to go race. Would you want ETNZ, OR, or LR out on the race course with 5 days of actual sailing on the boat they will compete in? All of the other teams are race ready (think more than 40 days sailing on the race boat) that is many times more than AR will EVER have before they get out on the race course. They have no hope of being competitive ( I believe they even made that statement themselves) so why would you EVER go out on the course and risk ANY injury (or worse) for your team or any other? If you can't design a boat according to the rules set out YEARS ago you should be in the show.
  10. I think NO addressed your concerns very directly here... http://www.sail-world.com/Europe/Americas-Cup:-Behind-the-Artemis--door---the-Swedish-team-unveiled/111672 (Note the credits at the bottom! ) Nathan Outteridge: The other teams know that we are going to be off the pace initially, But we can get the boat in the water in a couple of weeks and go sailing, and test our structures, get the boat foiling and start to do our maneuvers , then we will be in a position to head up to the City Front and do the racing. Until we get confident in the boat and our ability in the boat we don’t want to risk anyone’s safety. We’re going out early in the morning in he boat. Get the boat foiling and see how we go. It is too hard to say when we will definitely be racing. Of course anything can happen. We have to be realistic about our chances. The pecking order has to be Emirates Team New Zealand, Luna Rossa and then us, as the underdog. But until we get our boat in the water it is impossible to say how we are going to go.. The boat is going to go through structural testing next week. We are going to flip the boat upside down and have to tick all the boxes, and we are half way through that process. Then we have to get her on the water, get the wingsail on, do the load testing. Then it is the sailing team’s turn to take over. The thing for us that is positive is that we have been able to turn the AC45 into a foiling boat, and we went foiling on the first day, and we did almost 30knots with very good control and stability. We have refined that thinking on the 45 ad moved it to the 72, so when we have passed all our tests, when we get out there we will be in good shape. We are going to need five, six or seven days to get through the basic stuff, but the way I see it, it is not how many days, but how productive you can be in those days. It is tough to say how many days it is going to take. But obviously the lighter the wind is , the sooner we are going to be able to race. In 8-10 kts the boat should be manageable. If we have 20kts on day 5, I am sure we will have a bit on Hopefully by the time we get to August we will be able to handle 15-18kts quite comfortably. All we want to do is compete in this America’s Cup. I joined this America’s Cup thinking what a great concept, they are trying to achieve. It is obvious that they have overstepped the mark with the equipment. It is a little outrageous for the venue, But I think the concept is great. What they are trying to do is awesome. Our whole team just wants to go racing, but we have got an issue and can’t get there. Exactly, so why the fuck are they still here? Everyday that goes by without them sailing their NEW FOILING AC72 makes them that more underprepared and dangerous. They know it, so they should go!
  11. Here is the BS that is the problem. From above: "These rules are not about one team. They are about bringing safety to the fleet and the event." So PC is saying that this isn't about ONE team, but "The fact is that if ETNZ and LR get what they want, Artemis Racing will be excluded from competition." So ONE team will be forced from the competition. It IS about one team. AR can't race a safe boat if they don't get rule changes (which may or may not help OR) so they would be out. End of story. And as I have said before, if AR don't get on the water soon they are just a danger to themselves and others on the course. PC should take a reality pill, they WILL NOT BE COMPETITIVE so they should withdraw so as not to be a safety risk for the other teams and stop whining about rules that will only help ONE team, ARTEMIS.
  12. - See more at: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2013/06/25/artemis-racing-down-but-not-out/#sthash.l5yFfV2f.dpuf Of course Artemis is responsible for their original design failures, but we simply don't know how much of that had been solved/accounted for before the accident ever occurred, and their otherwise ability to have made the start on time with Boat 2 had the accident with Boat 1 not occurred. They might have made the starting line but the above comment in red shows that they have found issues with B2 that needed to be reinforced. So that could have been a big issue for them anyway. If the boat is failing load test and needing to be reinforced they wouldn't have survived anyway! (IMHO) So what is the "confidence" level of B2? And if they are reinforcing it where are they REMOVING weight to compensate? Obviously, that comment is interesting. We would need more information to really understand what that means. If he was referring to the beam, and they really did not do much to make sure the damned beam was sufficiently sturdy, after they had the issues with the beam last summer, then it certainly does shoot holes in their credibility. It's the damned beam, I can't think of a part of the boat that requires super-adequate construction more than the main (front) beam. But that comment does not clarify if it was the beam, or something else entirely that they needed to bolster. Yes, but it says that they are doing load testing and taking time to repair the areas that "need" it. So to me that says there are areas that failed the load test. Which if true means: A) Bad design Bad/faulty construction C) Both My original point was that if this is the case they would have had a very hard time making it through the racing without a failure. And now they want "extra" time to fix whatever the mistakes were in the boat. This seems very crazy to me. You fuck up, you can'/t make the start then you should be done. No "excused absences" to let them catch up. Plus I still don't see how they can be competitive and SAFE with little or no time in a new FOILING AC72.
  13. - See more at: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2013/06/25/artemis-racing-down-but-not-out/#sthash.l5yFfV2f.dpuf Of course Artemis is responsible for their original design failures, but we simply don't know how much of that had been solved/accounted for before the accident ever occurred, and their otherwise ability to have made the start on time with Boat 2 had the accident with Boat 1 not occurred. They might have made the starting line but the above comment in red shows that they have found issues with B2 that needed to be reinforced. So that could have been a big issue for them anyway. If the boat is failing load test and needing to be reinforced they wouldn't have survived anyway! (IMHO) So what is the "confidence" level of B2? And if they are reinforcing it where are they REMOVING weight to compensate?
  14. Any sign of a blue boat????
  15. I still don't understand this. As a team there were decisions made. They made those knowing the schedule and the wind limits. Then for whatever reason (design/build/other) they had a very tragic accident. I am very please to see that they are pushing forward; however, if you can not make the ORIGIONAL schedule then IMO you are no longer "in" the race. All of the teams (even those that did not commit to the cup) had this information years ago and made their decisions based on that information. Some of the potential competitors used this to determine they would not have time/money to be in this cup so did not enter. If you can not plan and be a part of the original race schedule then you have "failed" to meet the goals set out before the cup began. It seems SO VERY ODD that suffering a set back (and a very sad and painful one) gives you extra rights in terms of the racing and a "bye" to the semifinals! To me that would be like the San Francisco 49ers having their starting quarterback injured then giving them time to "regroup" and a bye into the playoffs.