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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Still only 4 teams Are there some waiting in the wings I would hate to see this race disappear
  2. Back to the race Who are the missing teams?
  3. I have a transom hung rudder which is lifted out of the water when not sailing so no need to anti foul. What to coat it with? I guess I need to protect the wood. My default would be to slap on some domestic gloss paint but this is probably not the answer. The boat is 23ft - hunter sonatta - the rudder is about 6ft tall with 4ft in the water. It is currently varnished above the water line with some form of paint/ coating below the water line. It needs repair as the coating is damaged and there is water ingress into the wood. I have started to strip it back but curious as to what replace it with. I am going to prep my spare rudder which is already stripped back to bare wood and nice and dry. I will then finish stripping the other rudder back to wood to let it dry out. The suggested solution needs to be a quick process as i go racing in 3 weeks. Thanks
  4. I was disappointed in the way seb Josse pulled the pin. I don't know how significant the damage was but he seemed to pull the plug as soon as he felt he was not going to be competitive. Alex thomson carried on with similar damage? Vincent riou showed what a legend he is. Mike
  5. Listening to radio 4 in the car on the way to work this morning. Live interview with conrad colman. He sounded very together. He thinks his eta is Friday afternoon. Not sure how you maintain energy levels on 700 calories per day.
  6. Suppose there would have been another multihull capable of sailing 25% faster in all wind conditions than IdecSport. I think that if it would have started 6 hours after Idec, it would have finished no more than 6 hours earlier, making at most 12 hours faster circumnavigation. In real life it could not have predicted the weather all around the globe in advance, and would not have picked that starting time. Had it started at the same time, it would have been more than 1.5 days in ahead at Cap Horn, and lost almost all of that advantage to Idec during the Atlantic. It would have finished in the same weather as Idec only a few hours ahead at most, because there was a huge light wind area almost across the whole NorthAtlantic a day before.That is the effect of weather patterns. The biggest improvements in individual legs if sailed at the same time would have been down the Atlantic or from NewZealand to Cap Horn, both more than a day. However it would not be logically possible to sail both legs at the same time than Idec, while also sailing at faster average speeds. What is necessary to break the record would be any of these: - Both a faster boat and equally lucky weather (less than 5% probability) or - significantly (> 33%) faster boat and almost as lucky weather (max 25 % probability) - same boat performance and better luck with weather (less than 0.5 % probability) Sailing a shorter distance down south without hitting anything might be possible in some weather conditions, but only if technology advances to detect Ice and sealife. That would increase the probabilities for suitable weather required to break the record. At this point only a faster boat will not be enough, unless it would be more than 50% faster in all wind conditions, and I don't think that is possible any time soon. Also having a faster top speed due to fully foiling would not have made any significant difference for the new IDEC record time. It would only have caused sailing in to less wind in the southern ocean between low pressure systems and having the same speed as Idec had in a better place. A better boat needs also to be faster in lighter wind conditions. That would allow hopping from current low to the previous one even then the current one doesn't slow down like happened south of NZ for Idec allowing it to do just that. 33% improvement is required for that kind of hopping. I would love to see your analysis to support your probability numbers. They are presented in a factual manner so I am assuming there is hard data to support them?
  7. Good effort and shows well after the previous two early dnf's. My feeling is that poor boat prep before the start let him down.
  8. 2? BP to Louis and Gitana to Boris. Any others? Safran I wouldn't really expect to be sold. Virbac probably would be sold eventually, although it seems to clearly be the slowest of the foilers. I think Hugo boss potentially reduces the value of these foilers. It points to the opportunity for a new design to go further along the hb route and away from the max full bow of bp8 etc al. Anyone going for a new build may have a significant advantage over these boats.
  9. Looks like both are going really hard. Impressive to think that both of them could break the 24hr record at the end of the race. there has to be performance degradation at the end of a round the world trip. Great race!
  10. Bit tricky to hove to without a mast.
  11. In light conditions will AT be quicker than ALC on port? At low speeds the foils are just drag
  12. Still going very slowly. Not good
  13. If it was me and the boat was breaking up under me I would head for the nearest landfall and sail it straight onto the beach and worry about getting of the beach later... I think it's called "do a vestas"
  14. What he is saying below. Quite impressive... I am so sad for him. He did a great race. " I lowered the mainsail. I turned on the engine. I remained a few hours hove to. The damage at the front of the boat is deteriorating, the hull is opening up, the frames are coming unglued from everywhere. I am heading to the South of New Zealand. I should be there in 2 days. I am not sure it is going to hold until then. The good thing is that I am within helicopter range. It is comforting. I just need to push one button for someone to get me. The living quarters are not damaged. With the watertight doors, I can stay protected. The hit was ultra-violent. I still shivers, just thinking about it... and talking about it. I was sailing at 17-18 knots. And everything stopped. I think I hit a container. That's what torn apart the bottom of the hull. The front of the hull exploded. The hull buckled. Luckily I did not lose the mast. It was very, very violent. I was sleeping in my bean bag. Thank god, I had my head deep into the bean bag. I ended up against the mast bulkhead. I found items against the mast bulkhead that were packed up at the rear of the boat; it flew forward over 10 meters... A bit stressful. The good thing is that I am not too far from shore. But actually, that is also what could have caused it. I saw several cargos. I think I am on a maritime route between New Zealand and Australia. Knowing the sea conditions, there must be a few containers in the water. I think that's what I hit, considering the violence of the shock... Here we are... End of Vendee Globe... Finished... Half around the world.... I am so sad it ends up this way... I had my lot of hardship... For sure I had a truck load of them... But this one... this one... Fuck! I really wish this one to nobody... " Thanks for the translation. Let's hope the boat holds together long enough to get him ashore.
  15. I think it's great. I find it interesting, please keep posting the info. I might not comment if I don't feel I have anything to add but really enjoy the contributions showing the likely conditions.