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  1. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    Thanks for helping me feel good about my decision. It sounds like you were able to do a lot with a similar boat. The maintaining it properly bit was a big part of the equation. There doesn't seem to be a lot out there on what it costs to maintain a boat. When the question gets asked, the answer seems to invariably be "it depends," which while likely true, is not terribly helpful. That said, from what I could piece together, it seemed like there is a meaningful difference even from a low-30s footer to a mid-30s footer. In any case, I’m looking forward to spring.
  2. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    Thanks @George Dewey. You're right about price being a nontrivial consideration. Both purchase price and ongoing costs have a way of forcing you to be pragmatic about your choices. Technically, I don't even own the boat yet--still waiting to close. After I do, it will be headed to winter storage, so I won't have any real basis for an opinion until next year. That said, I think it’s going to work out well and I hope will serve me well until I'm in a position to by that TP52--or maybe I'll find a stepping stone or two in between.
  3. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    The answer may come as a disappointment to many. I ended up buying a J/97. It ticked enough of the right boxes, I liked the idea of going smaller, and the price was right. Only time will tell if it was a good decision.
  4. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    I think whatever I end up with I'll be getting spit out the back for a bit, even if I'm sailing in a PHRF JAM fleet. But, it would be nice to work my way towards the front of the fleet and there is no room in the budget to buy talent to do it. Boat owners on your side of the pond seem to have figured it out. Table stakes here seem to be all the operating costs are paid by the boat owner, which I have admittedly enjoyed for the last many years as crew and I am now prepared to pick those costs up as an owner. But, I think your point is that given time fun boats attract good crew and good crew attract better crew. At least in theory. That does look like a lot of fun. There was a period where I thought the J/97e was the perfect boat for me. I even made a side trip to boot Düsseldorf to see one, which I liked. The interior is more than adequate for the cruising I would like to do, and I like the presumably lower operating costs. That said, it has fallen away in the 11th hour; pretty much for the reasons that Pokey laid out. It's a lot of money for a 32' boat; more than that, the asking prices feel high compared to what other J Boats of similar vintage are going for (on a percent of price new). And, it does feel like a step back after looking at the other options—even from a J/109.
  5. Hey amFast, my caution regarding the J/111 is based on my own experience moving from a J29 to a Mumm 30 some 15 years ago. My J29 program was tops on the West Coast for a couple of years. We won most of the main OD races and eventually wanted something faster and more challenging.  I looked at faster J boats (J35, 105, and 109) but concluded that they were just too similar to the J29. In the end my overblown ego pointed me to the Farr (Mumm) 30 class. What I didn't count on was just how much better the guys in that class were. Most owners were very experienced racers and with budgets to load their boats with at least one paid pro. As a result, we were rarely competitive and finished more than one regatta not knowing what we did wrong. The other issue with the Mumm, and I suspect you'd have a similar issue with a 111, is that while the boat was a blast to sail with a good crew, taking another non-sailing couple out was much less fun, quite a bit of work, and could get downright hairy pretty quickly. Again, you can do it, but don't expect a casual wine and cheese experience.

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      Hi Pokey, Thanks for sharing your experience.  I think its notable that you were building from an already successful program and still ran up against those challenges.  In contrast, I will be building from scratch, so I'm sure the challenges will be even more acute.

      Of course, the point of racing to begin with is for the challenge, but I don't want to end up in a situation like you describe where everyone else is playing a different game and my budget makes it so I can't compete.

  6. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    The loads are something I've thought about. The two boats I know best are the J/105 and 40.7. I realize a J/109 and J/111 are very different boats from a J/105, but I was always struck by how much bigger the loads were going from the 35' J/105 to the 40' 40.7. I suppose that is the right next step. It's a good reminder not to be penny wise and pound foolish. The other thing behind my desire for local is to avoid travel during the pandemic. But as they say, this too will pass, and I should learn some patience. Agreed, and thank you to everyone for giving me so many good things to think about. That's a pretty good read. I like to dream about running a top race program, but I'll be the first to admit I'm not a rockstar and I'm not sure I have the patience or temperament to do the necessary crew recruiting. I guess what I really need is an extra 0 at the end of my budget, that way I could get a boat manager and just show up to do the driving--that's the real dream I think Blur would say that the J/111 is manageable by your average sailor. Actually he has, "Having tested many boats in this size/segment I think the J/88 and J/111 are in a unique position, being sporty and fun (like a true race or sports boat) but still manageable by the average amateur sailor - even solo." But maybe he is being too modest or maybe is overestimating my ability. By the way, it must be great when the best argument against you (Blur) is that you're too good a sailor to be a good data point. In either case, your point about the J/111 OD fleet becoming a disheartening experience is valid. This point gets back to the question about my own priorities and what I want to optimize for. Maybe the answer is, I get a J/111 because it will make a great daysailer; I do some shorthanded racing with it, and I accept that its not a boat I'm going to want to race OD--which would let me put a furler or hanks on it. Then again maybe not. Now is the time for the cold water; much better than after I own the boat.
  7. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    I've certainly thought about it, but the J/105 and J/92 are not boats I want to cruise. I may have come off more uncertain that I am. In broad brush strokes, I do know the things I want to do—I want to day sail, I want to cruise, and I want to race. What I'm less certain of is for which of those activities I want to optimize and to what degree. And, I think the only way I'm going to find that out is through experience. Thanks for the decision matrix. The one-design fleets for both the J/109 and J/111 are certainly factors. I like the option of one-design (if can pull together the crew). But beyond that, I would theorize that the one-design fleets may provide some price stability and make it easier to sell the boat down the line; although, it seems most J Boats do well in that regard. Regarding crew, I certainly don't have a serious race crew lined up, I don't even have a second-rate crew lined up. It's one of the appeals of going the shorthanded route.
  8. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    In many ways that is the rub. I've belonged to boat clubs; I've chartered boats; I've raced on other people’s boats. I think I know how the boat will get used, but this will be my first boat (non-dinghy). And, the reality is, it's going to be a learning process to figure out how the boat gets used. That’s several more votes to keep the J/120 in contention, so perhaps I should pay attention. From a pragmatic standpoint, it looks like I would have to expand my search area beyond my local region. (Home is Chicago.) I may be being too restrictive geographically, but it obviously saves on the logistics (cost and complexity) and reduces the need to travel in the current pandemic environment.
  9. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    Thanks for confirming. For my purposes, I wouldn't count insurance or the mooring as pat of the purchase price, but regardless that definitely puts it out of my comfort zone.
  10. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    Thank you for correcting me Gary. PM responded to.
  11. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    I can definitely appreciate avoiding mucking around with the head and holding tank. However, I'm pretty sure the mere presence of a piss bucket would be strongly frowned upon. Also, once the head is getting used by one person, I'm not sure what the utility is in someone else avoiding it. I know ZeeZee mentioned sleeping in the V-berth, but I could imagine using it for storage while at anchor / dock and sleeping in the quarter berths or saloon, which is where I prefer to sleep on most boats. That way there is a private head compartment. Of course I say that as someone that's never been on a J/111.
  12. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    Don't give up on me quite yet. I could still start higher up the curve. Fair point. Although, I imagine I would leave the cruising jib on the furler, which would make those after work sails easier. That said, hanks are another one of those things I don't have a lot of expereince with. The boats I've sailed without furlers all had foils. So maybe with hanks its not that bad.
  13. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    @Bad Andy Thank you for the local insight. There is certainly something to be said for a boat that can be raced and cruised in the same configuration. And, the Corinthian nature of the J/109 fleet may be more my speed and budget. I feel like everytime I come back to this tread I'm flip-flopping. Hopefully that means both are good options and not that I'm as clueless as it may seem. If you have contact at the local fleets that you would be willing to introduce me to, I would appreciate it. I started going down this rabbit hole, because as far as I can tell there are no J/109s in the area currently on the market, but as you said, maybe there are some off-market boats that could be in play. P.S. Lest anyone think I haven't done even the basic dilligence, I know there is a J/109 in Milwakuee listed on Yachtworld, but according to the broker's newsletter it is under contract, although it doesn't show up that way in Yachtworld.
  14. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    @ZeeZee Thanks for the additional detail. You would think at its price point that you could get reasonably good fit and finish. But, it sounds like something I could live with. I don’t have much experience with tiller boats, except for real small boats, so I hadn’t thought too much about tiller draw backs--beyond mechanical advantage, or lack there of. In any case, it seems unless you’re willing to select a boat specifically because it has a tiller or wheel, other choices are likely to dictate what you end up with.
  15. amFast

    J/111 as a Multipurpose Boat?

    Thanks for the insights steele. Our wives attitude towards sailing sounds similar. I very much enjoy sailing with her and she likes being there, but the experience is largely one of singlehanding with a passenger. It's a good point about the wheel on both the J/109 and J/111. I am definitely one of the mortals and even then not one of the better ones. My hope is that a good autopilot will help me tack and jibe safely initially and can work on doing those things well as time goes on. Regarding the head, my thought is there is a door to close off the head and v-berth, so that's enclosed enough. But yes, that thought may not be shared and it's something I should get input on.