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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

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  1. Blasphemy, how you dare. These "Classic" spiritual classes are only there to preserve the status quo for current owners to die with it, how you dare to think on getting back or even for youths seen it as a cool class again just with a simple "hair cut". H14: Exactly , all those wanting NO CHANGE in the F18 should be sailing the Alado, I give them a Tiger too. DS is a small mods, almost look & feel mostly (and more stable , less pitching in breeze and waves) , and still floating. Mischa's boat from Denmark went to a guy that previously sold all his F18s, even his FP. Only owns 3 As ... and he just bought an F18 after 5 years, on the DS drive generated at last Worlds.
  2. Where were you guys and the 'spirit' when Longboards were set 1.40mts by Nacra? Everyone needed to upgrade. I like how in the A-Class too, the spirit of standard or Classic A /F18 is always defined at x time line at convinience You should be sailing Tiger OD or Nacra F18 first version, OD too for that matter. 2017 World Champion boat complete was 16.5k Euros new before Denmark Worlds 2017, speaking on reducing the costs fr weekend sailors... Materials aside longboards size are the same as 2004. No Decksweeper, no curved boom made F18s cost now 23k vs 13k? In Denmark Mischa won in 5knots also, 183kg boat 165kg crew over the Sach bros. (for those not informed , maybe one of top crews ever in light winds) If DS sails not performing , why worry? DS Sail right now are 100% legal and even tested /raced by IF18CA Tech Committee Chair without further comments aside window size, the only Assoc going for a ban is the US fleet. DS sails are being sold all over the place, little too late sadly. Current Sails can be cut/modified no issues as done with A-Cat sails , Glenn Ashby won with a recut sailed in 2015 , done two weeks before Punta Ala Worlds. Any sailor and assoc has right to their own thoughts on the matter but you should have reacted the very next Day Heemskerk won the title, proposing an official vote to the IF18CA thus putting an informal break to new DS sales and builts from sails lofts.
  3. How to watch live races?

    Source remenich... Mike is working on it, some issues on some clients, he is tring to resolve. We will check an older version which is working. If not we'll try to stream it live, for those cannot see app or broadcast/stream.
  4. "Easy to Fly" Catamaran Foiler

    Steve Confirmed price: 150k sans sails. That's a bit pricey , how much of those C-Class 150k goes for the Wing? Diam 24OD is around 60k, a foiling kit or preparing it from factory to foil will not reach 150k.
  5. It is not that complicated. Just put a faster & stable course racing solution on the water, and the Class members will follow without a doubt. In the US the foil design playground is open. So anyone wanting to change the game can go and built your perfect 'Z killer' A-Cat (Ts, Js or whatever) and show how its done at USACA regattas. (Not Nationals though) I'm starting to organize in Europe an 'Ultimate Foiler' Challenge, to stop the chat, mine included. A course racing challenge open to all foilers. Lets see which is top or new current solution.
  6. New Flying Phantom Essentiel

    ???? You Where do you read that on the Essentiel??? I think you confused comments on another project. The Essentiel hull is not F18 Class legal as it is epoxy / foam core built and will not accept straight boards. . Only way hull to be hull class legal is to be epoxy / wood core. You need to read well articles before transcripting what you think you understood. An F18 Class legal hull with a convertible dagger case is a project we will do coming months with a known A-Class / F18 builder. Cheers. "In fact this project , the new Phantom 'Essentiel' is basically what we have in mind as plan B for the F18 Scorpion hull, and I even wrote a for the record document some months ago for the F18 Class WC, not on the foiling per se, but on the ability to fit a 4pt foiling boards setup on a convertible dagger case a la Nacra 15 and epoxy hulls (no carbon) construction to add structural support and longer life and the alternative to use the same platform in floating F18 legal racing mode and foil for fun." .... Those are the editor's note before the actual Q&A with Alex Udin on the Essentiel...... F18 'Scorpion' is the name for the 'F18 Open Project' platform. The Exploder F18 is built over the actual F18 OP / 'Scorpion' hull cad. Phantom Essentiel hulls are not and wont be F18 Class legal.
  7. New Flying Phantom Essentiel

    ???? You Where do you read that on the Essentiel??? I think you confused comments on another project. The Essentiel hull is not F18 Class legal as it is epoxy / foam core built and will not accept straight boards. . Only way hull to be hull class legal is to be epoxy / wood core. You need to read well articles before transcripting what you think you understood. An F18 Class legal hull with a convertible dagger case is a project we will do coming months with a known A-Class / F18 builder. Cheers.
  8. Foils

    Ian Holt and his buddies from Australia are the absolute and only Nr 1 RC Trimaran foiling builders. Cheers.
  9. Olympics N17 - Billy Besson in doubt

    Well I thought you must have plenty of streams, there it is the Nacra 17 Medal Race along the Finn one those in the US.
  10. Olympics N17 - Billy Besson in doubt

    MR = Medal Race , there is a local source wide open here not available in the US, checked some hours ago with an US based sailor and it was restricted for him on region. We also had here many additional channels through espn play and other local cable sport network, dedicated sail olympic stream, don´t get how you guys this time didn´t got access
  11. Olympics N17 - Billy Besson in doubt

    That sounds like a reasonable explanation, I noticed that Santi spends a lot of time looking forward. Great example of "head out of the boat" ARG protested back, check MR video , check lange onboard camera , and he even confirmed he protested back in a local interview, they had a "chat" with AUT too, thus Jury red flag did not indentified the boat being penalized (both protested) until the jury got near them while flying 20knots downwind, he got two penalties, two 360s done (start & AUT at the mark) Jury all over them. He even remarked that at the start GBR should have been penalized instead (at least too in my view) as AUS need to bareaway while GBR crossed in front AUS coming starboard. Check the MR video on that one too. The guy knows a bit on rules, no rookie neither in that aspect.
  12. The winning foils

    Doug, reached here on your linkings, Life sometimes is not htat complicated: "4pt or 3pt" is just a simple, logical and quite descriptive way to identify how many working foils are used while airborne. A-class vs FP for ie. 'Z' foils vs 'TNZ' system.
  13. A Cat Worlds Medemblik

    Two examples of proper cfd testing & R&D : Artemis AC72 & Mayfly AClass. Both failed. Big Lee: Is neither extreme ends of the spectrum. TNZ broke grounds doing on the water testing with the SL33 while Artemis relied 100% on CFD (business top notch one). Fischer is a brain as few, he has the nurmbers and he is for me a truly pioneer of the foil racing and he paved the way for final efficient A-Class race foiling which was achieved by posterior pure build & test cycles. Lets say I have to choose between your tank & cfd tests vs PJ / Jakub build & test? We A-Class sailors know where to put our $, don´t worry about us. Top Notch CFD + R&D is only complementary to on the water testing and version builts. And currently A-Cat builders have been hiring AC level Pros for dedicated foil sections and cfd work, which added to their own work has produced what we have today. No better example on this than latest Z10 daggerboard from Exploder.
  14. A Cat Worlds Medemblik

    If you have 2014 Europeans and 2015 Worlds with two parallel fleets racing at the same time, more than whining it's just demanding for the Standard... This is no F18 racing. And do you guess that sailors will think twice next time to attend such an event with that split fleet logsitics? Silver did not even raced today....
  15. New full foiler

    Doug: You will get all those 'existential questions', the day you go out and sail one yourself... and from what I know, you've been offered once to sail a Moth, and I'm sure the US A-Class fleet can get a you ride too. Cheers.