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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. I think another part of the slamming problem upwind in Johnstone St is that we were sailing the boat too flat in those conditions. But to really explain the motion take a look a the video of Mad Dog Racing going up Johnstone Strait (~27 sec into video) That looks very similar to what we were experiencing....albeit slower of course... but launching off of one wave and slamming down on the next with both bows. If we could have powered up and flown a hull more consistently in these conditions I believe we could have knifed through a lot more of the rough stuff, but we were having trouble in the gusty conditions keeping the power consistently on. I think with quite a bit more time sailing and tuning we can do a better job of flying in these conditions. But it also seems like there is a component of the rig/sail weight that we are fighting in these conditions. It is a lot of momentum up high trying to complete a roll/ continue the bows pitching forward that must be absorbed.... so lighter aloft would help the motion quite a bit too.
  2. With hobby horsing what it is, maybe the proa crowd has a point- at least statically, turn point could have been ~ mid 40's morphed into a proawith a minimal foiled aka. Wonder if that might have been long enough to span the chop smoothly? Might have worked for human propulsion too, at least for hull speed. Polynesians in choppy conditions seemed to gravitate to skinny rounded v hulls.... Felix did not have issues hobby horsing. The full sections aft and t foil rudders dampened the pitching moments well and is definately the way to go with a catamaran.
  3. Hi Russell, biggest thing will be to work on our heavy weather upwind mode. I would love your help on this.Canting the rig helped quite a bit and we know the current rig and sails are very heavy... 180 lbs of the total 750 lbs of boat weight. You can feel that mass up there and I think that is the main reason canting currently is so effective for us. A lighter mast that was sealed would be a huge performance gain for this boat. I could really feel the extra weight holding us back at higher speeds...with the same wind speeds in light boat/practice we would easily hit 17 knots while heavy and in the race we were at 14 or 15 while the boat felt more loaded up getting there. But one of the first mods I want to try this summer is to flatten out the main by making some custom battens and playing with more mast prebend. Would runners and a much lighter section work for this race? For example, I'm putting a carbon wing Gunter on our L7, mainly for gust response mountain lake sailing, lower cg when reeefed, and the ability to scandalize when things get sporty, but since we're hoping to do the r2ak in a couple of years, is there enough sailing in land heated air to make this a good idea? Great race- looked like a satisfying learning curve from the peanut gallery. Winds in some of the deep sided channels -Johnstone Strait-- are very gusty with gusts coming at you from different directions especially when you start to get close to the shore. Gust response would be cool but the rig still would need to be very robust to handle pounding into steep sided chop. Last year there were a few dismastings....team Broderna in their f-boat and team Firefly in their L7. It would be interesting to talk to them about rig selection.
  4. Hi Russell, biggest thing will be to work on our heavy weather upwind mode. I would love your help on this. Canting the rig helped quite a bit and we know the current rig and sails are very heavy... 180 lbs of the total 750 lbs of boat weight. You can feel that mass up there and I think that is the main reason canting currently is so effective for us. A lighter mast that was sealed would be a huge performance gain for this boat. I could really feel the extra weight holding us back at higher speeds...with the same wind speeds in light boat/practice we would easily hit 17 knots while heavy and in the race we were at 14 or 15 while the boat felt more loaded up getting there. But one of the first mods I want to try this summer is to flatten out the main by making some custom battens and playing with more mast prebend.
  5. Turn Point Design Race Summary What a race with some top notch teams and incredible people! We came in 8th overall racing Felix our custom 24 foot catamaran. Felix is the smallest boat to finish so far in the race at a boat weight of 750 lbs without gear or people. The most memorable moments of the race were surfing down 12-15 foot ocean sweals in Dixon Entrance that were steep and stacked up from the opposing current. Felix performed amazingly in these conditions as the c foils lifted the boat while surfing down the waves at 15 to 20+ knots, keeping the bows up-- the boat felt like a race car sailing flat and fast with lightning quick rudder response. I kept bracing for impact as we would surf down into a huge trough---but instead of burrowing the bows Felix would lift and take off riding up the back of the next wave. I could have gone on surfing those waves for ever! What a ride! The worst stretch of water for us was sailing up Johnstone Strait. We had 20 to 30 knots of wind on the nose and some steep chop. In those conditions the trimarans of MOB and Pure and Wild were rocking it and having the sail of their lives while we were pounding and feathering to keep Felix on her feet. We also lost a lot of ground in similar conditions sailing up the St of Georgia with the extra weight and stability of the top tier trimarans giving them a big advantage in these conditions. We definitely need to work on finding a better upwind mode in heavy weather, and will be working on this the rest of the summer. Here is a video of us sailing up Hecate Strait. Wind was 10-15 and boat speed was 12 - 15. What a magic ride... could have done that forever too. shortly after this we received the environment Canada weather report that moved up the forcasted Gale warning a couple hours. At that point we jibbed and back tracked a little to get to the inside.
  6. Simeon on the Scamp did really well this year and seemed to be in great spirits when they came in.
  7. Race report from Felix Team Turn Point Design What a great day! We had a lot of fun today on the qualifier leg of the R2AK. The start of the race had some nice southerly winds for us as we hit a max speed of 19 knots on a screaming reach out of Port Townsend. Mad dog quickly outpaced all of us with incredible boat speed in these conditions... But also made a good tactical decision to stay north were there was more breeze. We came in 8th overall with the boats ahead of us making the better decision to sail further north as We sailed a rumbline/direct course but ended up in a big patch of light wind with Team Tritium racing. But we had a great time boat to boat battle with Tritium for more than half the race. That is a very cool boat indeed and definately very fast in the right conditions. Looks completely diferent powered up than any other Farrier I have sailed with.... Bow up, nearly flying its main hull... very light powerfull boat indeed. We must have traded positions 10 or more times...but we were using our pedal drive to sustain boat speed through the lulls while they only sailed. Cant wait till the race starts again Sunday!
  8. Tritiums new boat is more than twice the weight all loaded up so I would expect it to be quite a bit slower under pedal power.
  9. Felix is over in the large marina on the linear dock. We will take her over to the Maritime Center for the Ruckus and hopefully a sail or pedal this afternoon. Lots of fast multihulls in town and cant wait to see how they all stack up on the water....This is going to be fun! You are welcome to use the drill press even if Im not at the shop...I'll let the guys know you might stop by. Besides our normal mold making cnc work we are fixing a couple rudders for a R2AK team.
  10. Hi Randy, Sorry I missed you at the party. I have some extra props at my shop if you want to "borrow" a couple for the race. I think the rc airplane ones we have are a little more robust than the one in your pictures and thus might be a good solution. Pitch's I have in these props are 14 and 18" if I remember right. I'll be at the shop from 6 to 11 if you want to stop by.
  11. 24" of our bows are sacraficial crash foam, daggerboard trunks have watertight crash boxes around them, lower daggerboard bearings have a crumble zone built into them and we have a set of replacements, rudders have break away mounts... But still we dont want to hit anything at speed. In my view the daggerboards are the structure most susceptable to damage from hitting a deadhead.
  12. Hi Randy, Well our plan on Felix is not briliant or different for night sailing but Here it is.... We have a small offfroad foglight built into our bowsprit that we will be sailing with at night. It will most likely spoil some of the magic of a night sail but there is a lot of crap in the water. On the plus side the nights will be short and the winds seem to be lighter. Also totally agree with the clumpiness of the floater universe... If we see one floater we will be on alert for other bits close by. But mostly I think it is Russian rullette even in the daytime....enough time passes by and everone hits something.
  13. I have become a huge fan of pedal drives... it is very quick to transition from sailing to pedaling to pedal-sailing. Really there is no need for a motor on a light boat if you have a nice pedal drive -- although some race regulations require you have them. The pedals/prop systems produce plenty of low end torque -- we have a 20 inch custom prop we designed and machined and Turn Point Design. Also of note is that the fastest human powered world records are pedal driven and that is even with so many rowers spending their lives perfecting their rowing skills, while in comparison there are very few people pedaling boats. This is mostly a tradition thing and I am sure we will not see pedal powered crew shells anytime soon. Last weekend we had to pedal 3/4 of a mile out of Shilshole Marina against a pretty strong wind and the boat speed was down to 2.5 knots, and it was very exhausting.... but.... not really a problem. Windage is an issue when pedaling against any kind of wind and if you have to do it, you don't want any sail up. But, if there is any wind above 2-3 knots, the lighter boats will be mostly motor sailing anyway.
  14. I think human power will be of vital importance this year as compared to last. But even last year , with unusually strong winds, it was important. Im pretty sure that team MOB rowed all the last night to overtake team Por Favor for the steak knives.Wayne? Lighter boats with less wetted surface area have an advantage when under human propulsion whereas the bigger multihulls will have an advantage as the chop gets bigger...like going up Johnstone Strait.
  15. Its sad to see Tritium turn for home. That can't be easy for them and hopefully we will see them up here next time. I was really looking forward to the chance to be out on the same bit of water with them.