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  1. 600 Wet Sand

    Gouvernail is correct. I like his to-do list I should leave it on the wall of my shop If you choose to go with paint It will take a lot of time. Use a good paint. Adding 2-3 coats of Clear over it leaves a bit to remove/protect, polish etc.
  2. Best Marine window sealant?

    Sika 52? with their cleaner/primer works and looks good. $$$.
  3. On-scene in San Francisco

    Shoulda made you laugh; that was the world's fastest kiteboarder out there if I am not mistaken? That video was shot in the Alameda Lagoon, home to both Artemis and LR. I think that kiteboardboarder has a free Rolex from last year. oops didnt see the vid had his name watched Saturdays racing from hilltop by hostel in ft.mason.it was ok...not awesome Sunday spent on a large sailboat known locally as BigBlue, I couldn't have been with a nicer group of peeps. good company, good food, cookies, pretty good sightlines, near leward gates and finish. Had an awesome time.
  4. "Heaven Can Wait" 24 hour Yacht Race

    Is there no lead under the red boat. Kind of a surprising picture seeing crew standing on the hull. Cool looking boat. What kind is she? The boat is a Phuket Sports 8 one design (from Thailand) named Vino. The boat presumably still has it's lead bulb attached, but it's at the bottom of a 2.45 meter keel, so the boat just isn't heeled over far enough to see it! The bad news? They got the boat under control after the excitement shown in this photo, but a little later in the race the mast came down. Hope all is well down there, looks awesome. your crew did a great job for Ugotta so far! Have a good vacation. Cheers; Jon
  5. 20+ Footer - Building in Hawaii

    I would think the same. However the tactical dude that was on the 20 with us said blow the halyard, I did. (he has won a few big events) The boat came up quickly followed by horking the spin right back up, before it totally shrimps. I think it was quicker than jumping on the keel. The boat didnt seem to have any desire to come up otherwise.
  6. 20+ Footer - Building in Hawaii

    That's funny Jim. I was just watching the same video before checking on how your build is coming....I do have to compliment the guy who jumped on the keel, must be a dinghy sailor...but I sail in SF and like your thoughts on having a bit of lead down there.... The smaller sporty keel boats paired with dinghy sailors you tend to get a dinghy sailor or two who by instinct head for the keel when its blowing hard and you park it on the side. I've had to yank a few dinghy crew back in the cockpit on the U20 over the years and explain what a keel is for. LOL I was discussing this with my friends who sail Melges 24s here in Hawaii. All of these guys have sailed high powered dingies - one of them has an Olympic silver medal. We've all taken M 24's out in way too much wind and really "scary" conditions where wipe-outs are a certainty. I asked them if they've ever even considered jumping out on the fin on their 24's - they said "never have, no need too". In that video the M 20 looked fairly well pinned down and staying on it's side. That changed when the guy got out on the fin. I've sailed some keel boats that have a similar low limit of positive stability, and the long recovery period from a wipe-out will take you out of the race. The quick wipe out move on the M20 (dependant on why you tipped it over) is to blow the halyard (it comes up quick) then pull the halyard quickly.