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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. If you are outside one of the ends, yes. If you are crossing from OCS to not OCS, you have no rights until you are no longer returning to start correctly, so in this scenario, no.
  2. If P/L passed HTW in the Zone, they are wrong. If they did not, S/W is wrong. 30 seconds from tack to mark. First part of video clearly shows P approaching on port well outside the Zone. Easy call. S/W is wrong.
  3. Looks like quite a few boats cut the corner at the scoring gate outside of Bishop Rock. Hmmm. Are there that many F....d up navigators and tacticians, or perhaps just a data burp with Yellowbrick? OA, RC and jury may be quite busy on this one.
  4. RRS 78.2 Allows the competitor to produce the certificate after the race.
  5. 1. The SCYA Midwinters NOR is very poorly written and does not comply with current format recommended by RRS Appendix J. The rules REQUIRE that the OA is named. This NOR does not do that. 2. If Scot has not previously been disciplined as the result of a RRS 69 hearing or legal action by SWYC, the OA or RC likely does not have a valid reason to exclude his entry. "I don't like you", "Your are a drunk" or "You print bad stuff in your newsletter" are likely not sufficient reasons to discriminate. 3. The correct procedure for Scot is to file a Request for Redress claiming an improper action by the OA/RC. 4. It would be prudent for SCYA and SWYC to secure a jury panel that are all NJ or IJ and none are members of SWYC. This will be a very interesting hearing if it happens.
  6. Even more significant to the 2017 RRS is the removal of the word "gross" breach of manners from RRS 69. Now, a PC is obliged to act on a simple "breach of manners". The judging and umpiring community is already anticipating a large increase in RRS 69 protests over issues and actions that were previously under the radar. Buckle up and get your popcorn.
  7. Rule 16.1 requires a ROW boat that alters course to give Room to keep clear. Regardless of the reason, conditions or strategy involved in ROW altering course, it comes down to a judgment call by a jury or umpire to determine if Room was given. ISAF Case 50 is used over and over in protests and umpiring to define this situation and to help decide what Starboard should do. The typical scenario with Port trying to cross is that there is a point when they are committed and tacking OR ducking will result in a collision. If Starboard makes an initial change of course (before the collision avoiding change of course) they must give Room to Port to keep clear. Practically speaking, if Port is crossing Starboard and Starboard alters up (and then admits that they altered up in the hearing, or the umpires see this), and there is contact, Starboard will likely have broken RRS 14 and RRS 16.1
  8. At the recent World Sailing Conference, the organizers of Match Race Germany made a presentation to obtain World Championship status for keelboat match racing in addition to the current WMRT World Championship which is held in M32 Catamarans. Some would argue that much of the current Match Racing Call Book is irrelevant to multihull match racing and that the current regime at World Sailing has effectively downgraded the status of keelboat match racing to something other than World level. There is obviously a huge world-wide infrastructure of events, sailors, umpires, equalized fleets of boats all based on keelboat match racing. Do you think WS should: 1. Continue the path towards multihull match racing as the standard? 2. Create an additional World Championship for keelboat match racing? 3. Alternate back and forth year by year? Some other idea? .......very interested to hear the rants, debates, arguments and banter on this one. I have my popcorn.
  9. potential for late winter storms. Choose your weather window very carefully.
  10. After much publicity in late 2015/early 2016, I have not heard anything on this and not much shows up via google. Does anyone know the latest?
  11. So I just have one question - The race results for the race show Courageous as "RET", not DSQ. There are several quotes in these threads saying that there was a protest hearing and that Courageous lost the protest. If they lost the protest, they would be scored DSQ. Sounds like the people yapping in this thread may not have all the facts.
  12. 1. The only place in the RRS that requires a HAIL is when room is needed to TACK to avoid an obstruction or ROW boat. The rule(s) that apply to this incident are RRS 19.2 b and/or c and also RRS 14 as it is pretty clear that one or more boats did not avoid contact when it was reasonably possible to do so. 2. When a boat is owed ROOM, there is no requirement to hail. A boat required to give room must simply give room and then protest if they feel that the other boat was not entitled to room. 3. Either party to the protest had the right to request a written decision from the jury within 7 days of the hearing. This would include the FACTS, the CONCLUSIONS, THE RULES THAT APPLY and the DECISION. An appeal must be filed within 15 days of receiving the written decision. 4. If an appeal was filed, it has surely not been decided yet as appeals usually take 6 months +. 5. If one of the parties requested a REOPENING, that would likely only be granted if there was significant new evidence or a mistake was made by the jury. It's all in the book. Just gotta read it. US SAILING Judge, Umpire and Race Officer
  13. check out the race documents for the SDYC Hot Rum races or the LBYC Two Gates Race. Very simple.
  14. Yes Sunseeker. Foxtrot Yankee. Designed, built, managed and raced by the best in the business for many years. What exactly are your credentials to allow you to make such a slanderous statement in a public forum? I suggest you LAWYER UP.