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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Remove DSQ boat from race?

    Because you cannot DSQ a boat without a hearing. They would be scored OCS, not DSQ. If they thought they were not OCS, they could ask for Redress.
  2. PV Race

    Just like stacking. They made it ok because everyone does it even if not allowed. Too hard to police if people are logging in to predict wind so make it legal.
  3. Island’s Race Weather, discuss.

    It will be dark and cold at night. there will be no wind at sunrise for 40 miles off SD. A trimaran will be first to finish.
  4. Sydney to Hobart 2017

    Based on the WS policy, a penalty of 20-30% would seem in line with WS guidelines. WOXI elapsed time is approx. 33 hours. Therefore, a 20% penalty would be 6 hours 36 minutes. Pretty simple.
  5. Sydney to Hobart 2017

    Again, trying to cut out all the misinformation in this thread..... here you go: World Sailing published a guide to IJs for issuing Discretionary Penalties. It breaks rules breaches into 4 Bands, 1 to 4, 4 being the worst. What is rare for the RHSH race is that a breach of a boat on boat protest (Part 2 of RRS) has been subjected to the Discretionary Penalty world by the OA. The IJ is bound by the RRS , the Case Book, and the Guidelines set by World Sailing. Read and judge for yourself: http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/DiscretionaryPenaltyPolicySWCNov2014-[18029].pdf
  6. Sydney to Hobart 2017

    This is fantastic armchair judging by the uninformed. If you want to learn the rules better, read World Sailing Case 50. It discusses this scenario and talks about Starboard having a "reasonable apprehension of collision". Given the speed, size of boats, sea state, etc., if you were helming Comanche, you would certainly have a reasonable apprehension of collision and you would alter course so as to not breach RRS 14. Comanche's argument for dipping their bow slightly (if they did so at all) was that they were trying to avoid a collision in the event WOXI did not tack. When it was clear that WOXI was tacking, the only way to avoid was to head up. The word arrogant seems most appropriate for the actions by WOXI during the incident, and the arrogance continues with all of the "we won, we are so great" stuff in the interviews and on the WOXI Facebook page. It is not uncommon for SOME (but not all) pro sailors to believe they are above the rules, or as MR stated in the interview, it was not a "blatant infringement". If you read between the lines there, he is not denying that it was an infringement. My guess is that the "rules experts" aboard WOXI may have misread the SIs, thinking that they would only get a 5 minute penalty if ruled they broke a rule. If the IJ rules in favor of Comanche, a time penalty of less than 27 minutes is no penalty at all. IMHO, the time penalty should be enough to drop them back to 3rd or 4th in Line Honors.
  7. ORR in Long Island

    It is used on West Coast for most major races. 100% measurement and no old age allowance.
  8. strict class

    The class has been organized specifically to exclude pro sailors (Group 3). Take your pick.....just about every other OD class from 24 to 52 feet goes way up and then way down because the owners get tired of paying for all the pro stuff. It is a moot point that a Quantum or Doyle rep won't recommend the boat to his client......he wouldn't anyways because he can't sail on it and sail makers earn very little on sail commissions. They earn their living on their daily rate sailing. If the class also disallows OTW coaching and support boats while racing, it will be even better.
  9. Make N2E Great Again

    Border Run is scheduled for same date and already has entries open and 50+ entries in. NOSA web site cannot enter yet. Looks like the battle between events continues. Given a choice between going to Ensenada or SD, the owners and teams will vote with their entry in either race. This will speak volumes.
  10. NYYC One Design

    Same concept has been working at Long Beach YC for 25 years with the Catalina 37s. Without a doubt, the closest OD racing on the west coast in 30+ keel boats......and it all happens on Wednesday nights in the summer time.
  11. I am honored to start this thread. Bring it!
  12. Hypothetical Rules question:  Downwind start.

    If you are outside one of the ends, yes. If you are crossing from OCS to not OCS, you have no rights until you are no longer returning to start correctly, so in this scenario, no.
  13. Windward Mark, Who Was Right, Who Was Wrong

    If P/L passed HTW in the Zone, they are wrong. If they did not, S/W is wrong. 30 seconds from tack to mark. First part of video clearly shows P approaching on port well outside the Zone. Easy call. S/W is wrong.
  14. So Cal 300 Tracker....Uh Ohhh!

    Looks like quite a few boats cut the corner at the scoring gate outside of Bishop Rock. Hmmm. Are there that many F....d up navigators and tacticians, or perhaps just a data burp with Yellowbrick? OA, RC and jury may be quite busy on this one.
  15. Iron Fisted

    RRS 78.2 Allows the competitor to produce the certificate after the race.