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  1. Yes, perhaps the Jury should disregard the World Sailing guidance and also case 138 and listen to you, or perhaps they should do what they are trained to do and experienced in, which is to follow the rules.
  2. Now please show me a rule, case or other authoritative document which indicates any of the incidents you mentioned would justify a rule 69 action.
  3. You are making assumptions, and we all know what happens to people who make assumptions. The allegation at hand was that their AIS was not in working order. From case 138: A protest committee may protest a boat for a breach of rule 2, but it may decide that action under rule 69 is more appropriate, or in some circumstances action under both. Generally, an allegation of an action that directly affects the competition should be subject to protest under rule 2. An action that is considered to be an act of misconduct and that does not directly affect the competition should be subject to action under rule 69. And from the World Sailing Rule 69 Guidance Document: 10.2 The following are examples of misconduct. They are not exhaustive. 10.2.1 Engaging in any illegal activity (e.g. theft, assault, criminal damage) 10.2.2 Engaging in any activity which brings the sport into disrepute 10.2.3 Bullying, discriminatory behaviour and intimidation 10.2.4 Physical or threatened violence 10.2.5 Deliberate damage or abuse of property (including a boat) 10.2.6 Deliberately disobeying the reasonable instructions of event officials 10.2.7 Repeated breaches of rule 2 10.2.8 Inciting others to break rule 2 10.2.9 Deliberately breaking a racing rule with the intention of gaining an advantage 10.2.10 Deliberate interference with another competitor's equipment 10.2.11 Repeating a measurement offence (intentionally or recklessly) 10.2.12 Lying to a hearing 10.2.13 Other forms of cheating such as falsifying personal, class or measurement documents, entering a boat known not to measure, missing out a mark to gain places etc. 10.2.14 Foul or abusive language intended to offend (see below) Clearly none of your examples are equivalent to those provided by World Sailing, with the possible exception of 10.2.13 but that would be a pretty big stretch. Now please show me a rule, case or other authoritative document which indicates any of the incidents you mentioned would justify a rule 69 action.
  4. Perhaps you should actually read Case 134 and rule 69. There is absolutely nothing here to support a rule 69 hearing, nothing, and please find a rule or case to prove me wrong. There has been a tremendous amount of misinformation re the RRS in this thread, honestly over %75 of the rules "experts" are just plan wrong. This was an invalid protest from day one, no ifs and or buts about it, anyone who tells you otherwise is confused about rule 60.2. And just to clarify and remove the avoidance of doubt, a boat that knows they broke a rule and does not take a penalty has broken rule 2. (see case 138) so yes it is a rule that if you break a rule you MUST take a penalty. And to answer the question about what to do if you find out your bilge pump (which is required by the Rules and required to be in working order) is not in working order, the correct answer is report it to the Jury (or OA) and accept whatever penalty they impose or if they don't impose a penalty (either from a hearing or other mechanism) you MUST take a penalty. Oh and the statement that there are two hearings for each protest is wrong as well, there is one hearing, and there are always facts found (or should be) as there were in this case. Before anyone posts about Rules it would be a good idea for them to read them and include a citation when posting.
  5. Before you “explain” any more rules you might want to read case 138.
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    Launch Operators License

    Dacapo- any chance you have a citation for the change ? i spent ages with google and couldn’t come up with anything. Thanks cheese.
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    Rigger in Newport, RI?

    +1 if he is available you can’t do better.