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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. So the kids of Notre Dame just showed the rest of the world, and the country, the America of old. She might be down, but not out, and she's rising off the canvas.. Respect.
  2. Fort Valley is super friendly. I ended up there after LB's birthday bash with two smoking hot babes who got ignored and I got hit on twice. Nice chaps they were too...
  3. Sea state...?
  4. After the first 18 months I'm organising to have the keel inspected when we pull her out for her first antifoul. No particular reason (whales notwithstanding) except I'm firmly of the belief that maintenance is important. Serious fuckups always seem to stem from a minor series of events, and I believe a good maintenance plan should mitigate the risk of this ever occurring to me (I hope). Call me paranoid, but I've only got one keel bolt!
  5. Hi JL, We did look into mast reinforcement, but on mine it was a flat no. even with runners it's not designed for rmastheads. Regards the pole, I thought of that at the build, it was a toss up, and I wrongly elected not to bother. A pole would have been interesting, when cruising in heavy airs once we'd just goosewinged the headsail and she flew. Unsure if ZSpars would let me just mount one post build, I'd need to check. Dragon, that's a first for me, didn't know of any with mastheads. I'll have to find out what they did differently!
  6. Don't forget the gas system is different in every country, right down to the fittings on the bottles. I imported a brand new boat, had the gas compliance certificate, got through customs/registration/surveys no probs. Couldn't attach a bottle, rang a local guy to find out the whole system had to be replaced . $5000 to replace a brand new gas system. Grrrr...
  7. G'day SViW, Thanks, the slalom concept is a good one. When we get a big surf, I'll press deep, but we still have the kite trimmer grinding like mad as the apparent shoots forward, then the guy on the sheet eases as we fall off. If I followed the slalom concept to the letter of perfection, theoretically you wouldn't grind or ease at all, the helm should do it all by pressing and hotting up as the boat speed increases and decreases. Thought: would it be reasonable to expect you till need to be sheeting on and easing due to the increase in wind speed, even if you are a red hot helm? I hope so, as I've always needed it to date! I get what you are saying regards the new kite, but the intent is predominantly to get the boat moving when we're really off the pace, which is really light airs and deep running. At that point the awa is definitely not well forward, so I would have thought a flatter Code 0 wouldn't help me as much. The Pogo is actually surprisingly much better in light airs to windward than it is dead downwind, hence the sail choice, Maybe I have done it a disservice in how I've described the new kite, it can run hotter than I'm describing, the boys were holding it at 110-120 twa no probs. I cannot believe it was the fastest VMC at those angles though as it has a lot of belly, but it certainly keeps shape and feels fine.I need to look at that though, this was only our first outing with it. In the perfect world, I would absolutely have both, a Code 0 is actually the next sail when I save my pennies. Thanks for the input! Edit: This comment" The Pogo is actually surprisingly much better in light airs to windward than it is dead downwind" may be my fault. When we're close hauled to windward in light airs, I have the whole crew forward and leeward to clear the big fat arse out of the water. I just realised I am less focused on this when running deep. Hence this could be my weight positioning of the crew, not the fault of the boat.
  8. G'day Pano, Yep, you're right, this is normal mode for light airs. More so, as the S2 hull shape is fuller in the bow sections. It defintely makes a difference
  9. Good to know, thanks I'll be on a Class 40 with Swedish flag, Talanta. Class 40? Antigua? I hate you NBG.
  10. G'day DD, That makes a lot of sense. I understand why apparent is cleaner data, but I think I got hung up on true, as I often reference to TWD. I'm bringing the boat home on Tuesday, I'll switch my polars to awa and try it. Thanks mate, that's great advice. SB
  11. Don't know if this helps, but this is a basic schematic of my setup.
  12. Do you ever stop learning? I was disappointed with our results in a recent race where we had a lot of time with wind aft of the mast, a lot of times light but with periods of decent wind where the boat should have shone, and didn’t. So I sat down and pulled all the data to see where I went wrong. Yacht racing is a game of inches and seconds if you want to be at the top of the fleet, so it is important for me to understand how I can improve. I have a lot of data that is recorded from the Adrena software and the NKE instruments, but when reviewing the data nothing apparent jumped out as a major issue, it all looked normal. Grrr…what’s the purpose of all this shit if it doesn’t tell you anything? Pre Start Boat prep, I had a new light air deep running aso just fitted. I had not lifted the boat for some 6 months but I had a diver clean the bottom 4 days before the race. I was heavy on crew (8) but it was our first decent offshore race (300nm), and the boat previously seems to handle weight ok. We had some new people on board, but well experienced, enough to at least make a good showing of it. We started at the committee boat end of the line, 10 seconds after the gun, right on the pin. Wind was light but from starboard, so we had clean air. So no excuses there. We did ok in the light airs getting out of the bay, not a strong point for us, but we held the fleet, till the winds freshened to 10 odd knots and went behind the mast. Our favourite angle, and were we should do well, and yet on review this is where I ultimately lost the race. The Problem The issue was I couldn’t seem to hit the polar numbers without running hotter angles. We had printed out the optimal VMG speed and angles I needed to hit for each of the true wind speeds and stuck them to each helm. I was heading up, hitting the polars and then constantly bearing deep to get the angles, only for the boat speed to drop off too much. Head up, hit polars, bear off, drop off. Rinse, repeat. WTF? Why is that? The answers had to be there somewhere. In light airs the drop in boat speed was more noticeable, and in heavy airs the speed was good and I could run deeper. The issue was I was covering a lot more miles than the fleet, but with the speeds I wasn’t gaining on the boats I should have been, at least on paper. So, the old chestnut, do I trade distance for speed, or vice versa. The first half of the race I went for a more direct course, the second half I went for speed. Neither worked. The Review Time for a different approach. Rather than just stare at all of this data waiting for an answer to leap from the screen, I grabbed a blank sheet and wrote down what I knew. To make a hull shape like the Pogo perform, I had to hit my speed numbers first, get the apparent wind forward, then push for the angles second, all the time, every wave and puff. But it wasn’t there. The speed didn’t come with the expected angles. With this in mind, I attacked all the data again. Hours of work later, lots of chook scratchings over a few pages, I reviewed the outcomes. I sat back, feeling slightly foolish, then checked the numbers again. Then I got on the phone and spoke to a couple of other skippers to compare notes. It always strikes me how helpful other sailors are even though on the racecourse we’re all competitive in the extreme! The Outcomes Here’s what I found. The first two from talking with the crew and other skippers, the last two from the data: Hull prep. Other skippers had the boat out of the water getting hulls polished, or sanding back with 1200 wet and dry. I had a diver wipe over the hull 4 days prior which just doesn’t cut it in a light air race. (My only defence was work commitments, a good reason maybe, but a poor excuse) The Pogo has a large wetted surface area in light airs, I needed to be more slippery than any other boat, this is not an area to ignore on a Class 40 hull shape. Kite set. When running deep, we spent most of the time with the clew only a foot off, or on the sprit. I noticed the kite was to windward of the forestay, but not a lot. I should have eased the tack line more, letting the kite fly more to windward. Use the reef hook on the luff. My guru sailmaker had put a reef hook 50cm up the luff to tighten the luff for when the wind went light. We tried it once, didn’t see a difference, so we took it out. On hindsight , I was trying to run deep at the time, and because I tightened it we had the clew on the sprit. I should have had the tack line eased then shortened the luff. Current. As I was running hotter angles, I ended up the boat most offshore and the furthest from the rumb line. I was watching the sea temp through the race and saw no discernible shift, so I thought I was in neutral current. But the current direction changed without an obvious change in sea temp. It transpired I was fighting a 2.5 knot current courtesy of being too far offshore. Polars. This was the big one. The Pogo has a big fat headed main. Heading downwind, the upwash over the anonemeter is an issue, and increases the wind speed artificially. I knew this, so I mentally drop the True wind speed down two knots before I look at my polars for the expected boat speed I should be aiming for. But when I looked at the data, I noticed when we gybed my TWD would change. ??? I went back and reviewed it again. Everytime we gybed the TWD would change. A port tack would show 180° TWD, we gybe over to starboard and it would read 200° TWD. So, this meant not only my TWS is out , but also my TWD. This of course is what you are referencing against when sailing to your polars, so I was artificially sailing higher and faster than I should have been to get down the course in the shortest possible time. In the NKE system is a capability called True Wind Tables. This allows you to apply an offset for Upwind , Reaching and Downwind conditions. The tables allow you to apply an offset for the wind speed and wind angles, exactly what I needed to do in order to gain a more accurate reference, before I attempt to sail to my polars. I’d seen it before , but ignored it as too complex and rather irrelevant. (If Railmeat read this I’m sure he’d have a quiet chuckle at my ignorance) I need to get out there and apply these offsets. This will give a me a real world number set, then I might have the chance in the next race to let the boat do what it should, rather than me force it higher and faster based on incorrect data. So, in summary, I have a lot to learn still. The fact that I could run deeper in heavier airs was simply the Pogo's boat speed creates a greater shift of the apparent wind forward, so naturally it allows you to run deeper the faster you go, not so much when the wind is light. The lack of attention to the hull being optimal and the kite set only exacerbated the difference. However, getting to compete against boats like Ichi Ban, Blackjack and Alive, and watching Navs like Will Oxley do their stuff, I’m more than prepared to take the humility and be thankful I do a sport where I get the chance to learn from the best and improve our understanding of the boat every time we sail. Next time. I'm determined to do better, I just hope I can handle the humiliation as I learn
  13. We'll, the old axiom of staying in proved to be true , shame I delayed the decision to head back in for one watch change, that cost us dearly, then I made it worse by doing it again off Breaksea. Lessons learnt the hard way! The good thing is the run in from Elliot was magical. We decided to let the boat do what it does naturally, and let her run the hot angles, take the speed and bear down after you have the speed first .max wind was 25, max speed mid 15's and I'm happy. Pride a bit wounded, but we learnt a lot, roll on the next one! SB
  14. I'm wriggling like a fucking tadpole! Much better breeze now, 12-13 with the occasional 15's . We were having great fun with 17-20 at 110t for a while after a not so fun 6knots work out of the bay. Beautiful night out here, we've just changed watches and enjoying coffee and home made Anzac bikkies. Hope the 17+ comes back! Edit: wahoo! 17 knots !
  15. I can't remember .....