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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.

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  1. My god you're a whingeing fucking twat..."The nasty Scottish steward threw us out, we don't like SCOTS - how dare he..." Shame i wasn't there - I would have gladly bought you the two cups of tea for £6 as we Scots are pretty friendly and generous like that. Disappointingly though I would have then thrown the hot tea in your face, head-butted you and thrown you in the sea, because that's what us ghastly Scots do eh? Just like the Daily Mail says.... About 2 dozen people I know were there on Saturday and loved it, possibly because they are not whingeing twats.
  2. That's not how it is in france at a major event, where spectators have learned to be quite aggressive over the years due to the almost sporting nature of the spectator experience. Guard boats attack, spectator boats parry and thrust. I did some video on it at the Route Du Rhum start a few years ago - frankly it is engrossing to be part of, and very scary at times. Careful Clean, your tone is close to admiration of a spectator fleet flaunting the rules. By extension then you almost start to defend the actions of the Spindrift skipper over that of the RIB driver. A slippery slope. I find nothing to admire or be engrossed in when people feel they can make it a game to try and get away with something that can be disruptive to a sport and in this case, creating life altering damage to a human being. This puts a level of culpability on the location in general and perhaps, were I running VOR I'd consider dropping France from my stopovers till they got better behaved. Free or not, breaking or even testing the rules is arrogant, foolish, and needs to be addressed. I also caught that in your next responses there was still a tone the was placing blame on the RIB driver above all else. If we turned things around for a moment, you have a highly trained, skilled skipper who is very aware of his boat's capabilities and size. He is sailing, not out in the middle of the ocean alone, but in a fairly small body of water crowded with boats. He understands the COLREGS, he should understand, as a racer the importance of marshal boats. So as you comment that the RIB driver should have his head on a swivel, that he should know the capabilities of this high performance ocean racing boat and he should be a master at driving a RIB and that getting in the way of this 140 ft racer was possibly his fault, in part to incompetence (my word, not yours)... I don't hear you say that a skipper, knowing the rules, knowing the performance of his boat, knowing how professional regattas work, knowing the environment around was just as incompetent and worse, for it was his responsibility to act with respect to the race and the spectating fleet. To keep bring up this thought that RIB drivers need better training, more experience is valid and worthy of reasoned discussion. Saying it in regards to even tacitly putting fault on this driver is wrong. I've tried to keep my emotions out of my words, because we don't have all the facts, but I will say in a personal note that to me, everything points to a utter lack of regard or respect by the skipper of Spindrift in the actions leading up to the collision. Excess speed, no lookouts, operating a Maxi boat around small vessels at the start of a race while "flaunting" the rules. Mr. Clean, the skipper of Spindrift was the incompetent one here and as such should not only be banned from racing in a professional capacity ever again, I hope the family sues the pants off him for I doubt anything criminal will result. The sailing community does not need people who act with such disregard for others. If that seems harsh, let's go ask the woman who lost a legand almost her life feels about the skipper's performance and possible punishment. Maybe she'll be more forgiving that me. Best response so far. +1
  3. We're assuming then that the RIB saw it? They wouldn't have heard it (bar maybe sheet eases if bearing away, but who knows)... That doesn't mean the RIB driver (or/and his crew) is then at fault for not keeping a lookout, there was probably a lot on at that point, same as there was on the Tri in having to avoid a spectator fleet whilst at speed...
  4. +10000 Careful, Clean, your douchebag is showing again. I mean, What the total FUCK? We all know that not every support boat has a seasoned pro at the wheel, but your bringing that up here again, after figuring out you had to walk back outright blaming this driver? And still not from you one fucking word about how irresponsible Spindrift2 was? I deleted some unsavory comparisons, but seriously, you just don't fucking get it, do you? Your pals on Spindrift2 were fucking WRONG. There is almost zero info that could come out that will absolve them. ZERO. If you want better trained rib drivers, why don't you bring that up privately to your close personal friend Knut? And again, this is really fucking ironic coming out of Mr. Pink Flag. You have been personally involved and responsible for exactly the kind of dumbshit behavior you are wet-henning now. Head on a fucking swivel. Jesus Christ you are douchebag. +1 To put the focus on the RIB driver straight away is fucking rude. +10000 Careful, Clean, your douchebag is showing again. I mean, What the total FUCK? We all know that not every support boat has a seasoned pro at the wheel, but your bringing that up here again, after figuring out you had to walk back outright blaming this driver? And still not from you one fucking word about how irresponsible Spindrift2 was? I deleted some unsavory comparisons, but seriously, you just don't fucking get it, do you? Your pals on Spindrift2 were fucking WRONG. There is almost zero info that could come out that will absolve them. ZERO. If you want better trained rib drivers, why don't you bring that up privately to your close personal friend Knut? And again, this is really fucking ironic coming out of Mr. Pink Flag. You have been personally involved and responsible for exactly the kind of dumbshit behavior you are wet-henning now. Head on a fucking swivel. Jesus Christ you are douchebag. +1 Maybe the RIB didn't see it until late, maybe his kill-cord came off just when he tried to back out, maybe they thought they would shepherd it away from the area and misjudged - pure speculation and just bullshit until we hear the full story. The Tri may have done everything it could to avoid the RIB, or they might have just assumed it would keep clear and not bothered much - again pure speculation. The trimaran is giving itself very little chance to react (in terms of time or distance) to or avoid any other vessels at that pace. They made it a risky situation from the start, not the RIB. Whatever the RIB was doing or not doing, no 20Kts+ tri = no accident. Putting the focus on the RIB driver immediately is fucking rude, epecially when his wife (apparently, from above posts) was the one who was injured.