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  1. Experienced sailor looking for work/racing in north US

    Many thanks for the info, any tips on best ways to get in touch with owners or companies there? Forums, Facebook Groups, yacht clubs or just get up there in person? Also, do the yards restrict who works on boats stored there? thanks again
  2. Hi, I've just moved from UK to Ohio, willing to travel, and am looking for racing in the US - either regular/campaign sailing in New York area or great lakes, plus Miami (if there's any big regatta's still going on)., or for one-off regattas and work-ups. 37yrs old, professional for last 10 years, 6'1", trimmer, plenty of mast & pit experience too with lots of euro' grand prix experience particularly in Farr 30s, 40s, 45s, Metre boats (12M, 8M and 6M), lots of worlds/euros with half a dozen top5 finishes. Extensive boat work skills and experience running boats or assisting existing BC. I work hard for any team I sail or work with, like a beer on occasion too. Very keen to race and work in US Joe Cell: (513) 546 0278
  3. ACWS Portsmouth 23rd 26th July

    My god you're a whingeing fucking twat..."The nasty Scottish steward threw us out, we don't like SCOTS - how dare he..." Shame i wasn't there - I would have gladly bought you the two cups of tea for £6 as we Scots are pretty friendly and generous like that. Disappointingly though I would have then thrown the hot tea in your face, head-butted you and thrown you in the sea, because that's what us ghastly Scots do eh? Just like the Daily Mail says.... About 2 dozen people I know were there on Saturday and loved it, possibly because they are not whingeing twats.
  4. Rib Accident at VOR Lorient Start

    That's not how it is in france at a major event, where spectators have learned to be quite aggressive over the years due to the almost sporting nature of the spectator experience. Guard boats attack, spectator boats parry and thrust. I did some video on it at the Route Du Rhum start a few years ago - frankly it is engrossing to be part of, and very scary at times. Careful Clean, your tone is close to admiration of a spectator fleet flaunting the rules. By extension then you almost start to defend the actions of the Spindrift skipper over that of the RIB driver. A slippery slope. I find nothing to admire or be engrossed in when people feel they can make it a game to try and get away with something that can be disruptive to a sport and in this case, creating life altering damage to a human being. This puts a level of culpability on the location in general and perhaps, were I running VOR I'd consider dropping France from my stopovers till they got better behaved. Free or not, breaking or even testing the rules is arrogant, foolish, and needs to be addressed. I also caught that in your next responses there was still a tone the was placing blame on the RIB driver above all else. If we turned things around for a moment, you have a highly trained, skilled skipper who is very aware of his boat's capabilities and size. He is sailing, not out in the middle of the ocean alone, but in a fairly small body of water crowded with boats. He understands the COLREGS, he should understand, as a racer the importance of marshal boats. So as you comment that the RIB driver should have his head on a swivel, that he should know the capabilities of this high performance ocean racing boat and he should be a master at driving a RIB and that getting in the way of this 140 ft racer was possibly his fault, in part to incompetence (my word, not yours)... I don't hear you say that a skipper, knowing the rules, knowing the performance of his boat, knowing how professional regattas work, knowing the environment around was just as incompetent and worse, for it was his responsibility to act with respect to the race and the spectating fleet. To keep bring up this thought that RIB drivers need better training, more experience is valid and worthy of reasoned discussion. Saying it in regards to even tacitly putting fault on this driver is wrong. I've tried to keep my emotions out of my words, because we don't have all the facts, but I will say in a personal note that to me, everything points to a utter lack of regard or respect by the skipper of Spindrift in the actions leading up to the collision. Excess speed, no lookouts, operating a Maxi boat around small vessels at the start of a race while "flaunting" the rules. Mr. Clean, the skipper of Spindrift was the incompetent one here and as such should not only be banned from racing in a professional capacity ever again, I hope the family sues the pants off him for I doubt anything criminal will result. The sailing community does not need people who act with such disregard for others. If that seems harsh, let's go ask the woman who lost a legand almost her life feels about the skipper's performance and possible punishment. Maybe she'll be more forgiving that me. Best response so far. +1
  5. Rib Accident at VOR Lorient Start

    We're assuming then that the RIB saw it? They wouldn't have heard it (bar maybe sheet eases if bearing away, but who knows)... That doesn't mean the RIB driver (or/and his crew) is then at fault for not keeping a lookout, there was probably a lot on at that point, same as there was on the Tri in having to avoid a spectator fleet whilst at speed...
  6. Rib Accident at VOR Lorient Start

    +10000 Careful, Clean, your douchebag is showing again. I mean, What the total FUCK? We all know that not every support boat has a seasoned pro at the wheel, but your bringing that up here again, after figuring out you had to walk back outright blaming this driver? And still not from you one fucking word about how irresponsible Spindrift2 was? I deleted some unsavory comparisons, but seriously, you just don't fucking get it, do you? Your pals on Spindrift2 were fucking WRONG. There is almost zero info that could come out that will absolve them. ZERO. If you want better trained rib drivers, why don't you bring that up privately to your close personal friend Knut? And again, this is really fucking ironic coming out of Mr. Pink Flag. You have been personally involved and responsible for exactly the kind of dumbshit behavior you are wet-henning now. Head on a fucking swivel. Jesus Christ you are douchebag. +1 To put the focus on the RIB driver straight away is fucking rude. +10000 Careful, Clean, your douchebag is showing again. I mean, What the total FUCK? We all know that not every support boat has a seasoned pro at the wheel, but your bringing that up here again, after figuring out you had to walk back outright blaming this driver? And still not from you one fucking word about how irresponsible Spindrift2 was? I deleted some unsavory comparisons, but seriously, you just don't fucking get it, do you? Your pals on Spindrift2 were fucking WRONG. There is almost zero info that could come out that will absolve them. ZERO. If you want better trained rib drivers, why don't you bring that up privately to your close personal friend Knut? And again, this is really fucking ironic coming out of Mr. Pink Flag. You have been personally involved and responsible for exactly the kind of dumbshit behavior you are wet-henning now. Head on a fucking swivel. Jesus Christ you are douchebag. +1 Maybe the RIB didn't see it until late, maybe his kill-cord came off just when he tried to back out, maybe they thought they would shepherd it away from the area and misjudged - pure speculation and just bullshit until we hear the full story. The Tri may have done everything it could to avoid the RIB, or they might have just assumed it would keep clear and not bothered much - again pure speculation. The trimaran is giving itself very little chance to react (in terms of time or distance) to or avoid any other vessels at that pace. They made it a risky situation from the start, not the RIB. Whatever the RIB was doing or not doing, no 20Kts+ tri = no accident. Putting the focus on the RIB driver immediately is fucking rude, epecially when his wife (apparently, from above posts) was the one who was injured.