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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. Well, I'd buy a UFO in a millisecond IF our pond averaged more than 4-6 knots. I still might anyway for the occasional. Starting from zero three years ago we now have 15 and as many as 20 lasers on the line for friday night racing all because a sparkplug got everyone excited and THAT led to a fleet purchase of 15 brand spanking new lasers. So a mixed age fleet from 12 yo's to 70 yo's in boats anywhere from 20 years to 20 days old have at it for 15- 20 days a season. God I hate this boat at age 65 but what am I going to do - buy an Aero or an EVO ? It's all about the community as Dave mentions above and maybe the fleet will evolve to a second boat over time but for now it's the Laser
  2. Huh? New Sunfish Class?

    ....as I move to the Aero.
  3. THIEVES!!! junior Regatta night shoppers

    "Good night, sweet prince. " Walter Sobchak
  4. Have you talked to Tommy about your needs ? He's about the friendliest and most helpful guy you can meet, especially when it comes to promoting Lightnings. There are always owners looking to trade up and he knows where those boats are. Your price range is pretty low for even getting to mid fleet though, sails will cost you that much, let alone new wire- so how about a co-ownership program or crew position for the many SUPERB Lightning sailors out of BCC and work your way up.
  5. Cheap light wind PHRF machine..

    I'm going to agree with a 2016 post - J22 is the best option I can think of,( although I'm not familiar wth every West Coast boat ), but cheap, flies in the light stuff, EASY to sail fast, cheap , did I say cheap - $8K will get you a very servicable one and PHRF is 185 I think with Genoa which is for between 5-10 kts..
  6. I Made A Mistake....Wanted J22

    There are a few to be had in eastern Ohio in reasonable shape, never raced hard in fresh protected waters, always dry sailed. Motivated sellers in their late 60s early 70s hanging it up so price could be favorable. Hit me up if interested in a long drive.
  7. rs aero

    Anyone had a chance to compare to a VX Evo ? I need out of my Laser !
  8. Singlehanded Dinghys

    R.I. Growing and highly supported VX EVO fleet near you: Killer boat - and can go two up http://bennettyachting.com/vx-evo/ https://www.facebook.com/vxone/
  9. Can it do port tack ? That would be awesome !
  10. Melges 14 vs RS Aero

    Ovington is the EVO builder and quite a nicely sorted out dinghy from all I've seen. At least give it a look. But Aero to answer your question
  11. Lake Erie Options

    seconded. Just awful.
  12. 'Over-sheeted' Mainsail

    I don't have his book handy but didn't Frank Bethwaite say good sailors trim the front of the jib and the back of the main, while better sailors trim the back of the jib and the front of the main ?
  13. 'Over-sheeted' Mainsail

    If you are referring to my original posting, I submit to you that it is a quote from a aerodynamics professor at MIT. I have some problems with aircraft aerodynamic types trying to explain some sailing aero observations. The aircraft guys deal in much greater velocities, and are looking mostly for LIFT. Plus they have engines to power their airfoils into the wind, or even create their own 'wind'. Hi lift of our sailboat 'foils' can result in lots of heeling force. Sailors are more dependent on angling their foils to facilitate a bigger portion of that lift force be directed to forward drive force. And we don't have the benefit of engine power, but rather must extract our drive power from the wind simultaneously. At our much slower sailing speeds, I feel that the design and trimming of our headsails is more important than the credit given them by that MIT fellow in that original quote. Like MarkK said above: ...and finally excerpted from aerodynamicist and North Sails consultant Paul Bogataj’s paper, “How Sails Work” http://www.northsailsod.com/articles/article6-1.html ‘Sails in Combination’, “Each sail by itself is much simpler than the combination of a foresail and mainsail as in the sloop rig. The sails are operating so close to each other that they both have significant interaction with the other. The most interesting feature of this is that the two sails together produce more force to pull the boat than the sum of their forces if they were each alone. The foresail of a sloop rig operates in the upwash of the mainsail. The wind as far upstream as the luff of a genoa is influenced by the upwash created by the mainsail. Hence, a jib or genoa in front of a mainsail has a higher flow angle than it otherwise would have by itself, causing an increase in the amount of force that the forward sail produces. So, while the mainsail is experiencing detrimental interference from the foresail, the foresail benefits from the interference of the mainsail. Notice that more air is directed around the curved leeward side of the foresail. This causes higher velocity (lower pressure) and more force. The net result is that the total force of the two-sail system is increased, with the foresail gaining more than the mainsail loses” Bernoulli said it first I believe.
  14. Junior / Youth Sailing... why?

    I've just been volunteered to head up our small clubs'16 -17 yr old group summer sailing program. It was was once a race oriented junior program but that interest has fallen off some and of course many of the kids were never interested in racing anyway and so it was a two tiered and not all that great experience for many over the years. This current group has been together since Optis and I want to emphasize skill building and fun rather than race after race. I'm doing my homework and prep work now. Any recommendations, sites, programs etc. are welcomed - thanks