GauchoGreg

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  1. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Now that's the attitude! But seriously, I do not believe it is his wording, but rather his point. He seems to be claiming (regardless how the words being clunky) that foilers can't go a week at pace similar to IDEC, and that they really don't have many areas where they have an advantage. That is reason, not wording.... with that, I trash/flame away! By the way, my MO is to have a very forgiving attitude on message boards... if Symbio makes a great point in his next point, I will ignore what he said in his previous post and give him props. Hell, I did that with DougLord all the time, where others would NEVER recognize him making a decent point.
  2. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Just saying that photo makes it look like it is digging in badly, but in actuality the boat just cuts through that without significant slowing. Maybe they will end up going with longer foils, but I'm guessing that comes with its own hazards... to start with having longer foils dictates more leverage and higher stress on the foils and linkages. Also, having the boat higher can result in the boat having more height to come down from... that could lead to much more dramatic crashes off the foils. Maybe the best compromise is to have the boat more frequently skipping off the water or having minor periods of the noses cutting through waves, but a safer set up. We will see, I'm sure. One thing is for sure, we seem to have had much less issues with pitchpoling than in the past, seems the stability of the boats has been very good, they just have had to deal with cavitation damage, impact damage, and linkage damage.... the first and last are much more easily fixable.
  3. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Huh? What does that have to do with people getting pissy about sharp comments? Did anyone suggest no one talk about tech of the boats? Nope. Symbio came in making claims that are not founded as if he had some data to back it up, did so in the face of all the best designers moving in the direction of these foiling concepts, and doing so ignoring that Gitana was NEVER trying to go full top speed, but rather always balancing their tempo with preserving the boat and optimizing the routing for the systems that were available to them. He rightly got called on it. Then wankers come in to I guess defend him, or try and make this venue "nice". Screw that, just throw it out there rather than making this place another damned PC place safe for the hyper-sensitive. If I make a douchey comment, I deserve to be ripped for it... big fucking deal.
  4. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    On the video where that capture comes from, that "nose dive" is no where near as bad as it looks in the still image.
  5. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Might we wait to see the cause of the damage before jumping to conclusions? If they hit something large, it (foiling) is probably irrelevant. If it is fatigue from foiling, it is then a valid point that has to be handled, just like all technology. Just like they learned about the cavitation damage on the TJV withdrawal. This was the first time that a sailboat foiled on the open ocean for 10K miles. The point I was making is that people like Symbio who thinks that technology advancing happens smoothly, or if there are setbacks the design is the wrong idea, are ignorant. Ooooh, sorry hyper-sensitive types that seem to forget that Sailing Anarchy has always been a place where people are not supposed to get butthurt, act as mommy for those who get butthurt, or have to watch how they say things.
  6. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    When did Sailing Anarchy become a "nice" place?
  7. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Cue the Symbio idiot to claim that the damage is because the boat is a foiler.... making such claim without knowing a damned thing whether the rudder component that broke has anything to do with foiling, and ignoring that the boat was not doing anything "foiling" that a waterborne boat wouldn't have been doing.
  8. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Great new video.... clearly they are not going as fast as they possibly can, but rather they discuss the challenge of finding the right speed to go. By the way, amazing how much more comfortable these boats are now in the Southern Ocean than just a few years ago. Basically, even in the Roaring 40s, one guy has his head out in the elements, and the rest are almost always tucked away in a comfy cockpit with relatively light clothes on. https://www.facebook.com/GitanaTeam2017/videos/225721242480049
  9. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    " Schematically, these pure foiling Ultims, are just a tad quicker from around 70° to 130° of the wind, with a swell under about 2 meters. Beside that, these boat are significantly slower. ..." Dude, you are trying way too hard to sound like you know what you are talking about, and doing so pissing against the wind of the very best offshore boat designers all coming around to the same design basis... foiling boats. Fact of the matter, a LOT of the track for these offshore boats is in pretty ideal conditions for the foilers, and where it is not ideal, the data we have is that they can hold their own with all but possibly Spindrift. Spindrift is the only tank around these days that might be able to push through in the much heavier conditions that would be truly boat-breaking for boats like Gitana and IDEC, alike. Otherwise, we have not seen anything showing that Gitana could not sail right with IDEC (or the last Sodebo) in relatively rough conditions. I could see the one sea state where the foilers may not be able to keep up with a boat like IDEC would be in REALLY light conditions, but not sure about that with IDEC when sporting the short mast. Tradewind sailing, transition sailing, they appear to have a significant advantage. Rough conditions, probably pretty equal... they just lose their advantage. But another factor about these boats, we have not heard of any near pitchpoles... I believe the foils are helping tame the boats a bit. As for wind polars and performance... you best come with data to support your claims.
  10. Ready to race: Spindrift 2 (40m) Idec Sport (31.5m) Macif (30m) Sodebo (31m) Actual (Former Sodebo, 31m) Qingdau (Former Idec, 29.7m) In Development Banque Populaire IX (31.5m, VPLP / CDK) - 2017 Launch Gitana XVII (31-35m, Verdier / Multiplast) - 2017 Launch Rumors Lending Club SailRocket Anyway, I have been trying to find anything new on BPIX and Gitana XVII, as it has been quiet for a while, and found a vid that came out a couple weeks ago on Gitana's plans for 2016, and it has a bit on their new Ultim/G-class boat, still indicating more than 30 meters, foil development, but not much else. See below. Not much to be found for BPIV, or Lending Tree or SailRocket, for that matter (Paul has been quiet).
  11. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Gitana has been extending its lead for the past few scheds, so doing very well at this point. It will be very interesting to see how this Indian Ocean set of systems matures.
  12. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Yeah, no. If you have been following this for any period of time, you will know that all boats have always had failed attempts due to breakage, collisions, etc. Every generation gets quicker, although yes there are more things that can break. But the thing is you have to beat the previous generation, and to do that with anything other than luck, you need to be able to go faster, faster overall, not just in one sea state. These boats are much faster in marginal conditions, not necessarily the worst or best conditions... they have the ability to transition faster, to be able to catch lows better, to skip to another system / avoid the worst seastate, etc. A robust boat that can hold optimal speed even in rough sea state on a low is still captive to the pace of the low they are on... and if they are slower in marginal conditions to transition to the next low, they are going to get beat by a boat like Gitana, even if Gitana is not going any faster while riding the low. There is a reason why you can see on the plotter Gitana did MUCH better in the Atlantic than IDEC without ever reaching 24h record speeds (for reasons like preventing cavitation damage on a 40-day trip)... if they can just match or stay close to IDEC's performance in optimal conditions, then beat their performance when things are not optimal.... such as the couple of days in the Pacific when IDEC struggled, or on the way up the South Atlantic, when IDEC again struggled. Yes, they may have exposure to a few more things to go wrong, but that is the way of racing.... there is a reason why all of the efforts are opting for similar boats. But just as has always been the case, if they can avoid hitting things or breaking things, get a bit of luck, Gitana will be the next trophy holder. Is there a place for a renovated/modified Spindrift, which is a veritable tank, that might be more able to robustly deal with heavier seas? Maybe. But if you think it will come away from a collision with a shipping container or something similar, any better, I would not bet on it.
  13. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Yep, have to figure their jibe will be VERY soon with a 32knt speed but only 6.5vmg, and the wind tailing off very soon.
  14. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    The other factor relative to how fast they want to push it on a RTW race, with these new boats, is cavitation damage on the foils. Gitana is going to be particularly sensitive to this given they had to give up one race, already, due to cavitation damage. No sense in going those few extra knotts that may compromise the foils in a race that is 40 days long. They can always try to do a North Atlantic / 24h record attempt.
  15. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Gitana is hammering the Southern Atlantic... I would think they will easily shatter the Start to Good Hope record and the Equator to Good Hope record.
  16. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    How fast can they be going and be able to launch and retrieve the drone? Can they be going at full-tilt 40+ knt speeds in the Southern Ocean and pull that feat off? I wanna see some drone footage of them going full-tilt.
  17. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Absolutely. My point was just that it is pretty tough to make a claim that Gitana HAD to be ahead of IDEC by X amount in the first 1/3rd of the course in order to have a chance of beating Idec's JVT time. Who knows, maybe Gitana will absolutely rip across the Pacific, hit the coast of Brazil perfectly....There are plenty of opportunities for a faster boat to beat IDEC's time, regardless of how hard it may be to overcome Idec's great track across the Indian ocean. Now, if Gitana was a slower boat, it would b a monumentally harder feat to overcome Idec's Indian crossing.
  18. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Not really true. They don't HAVE to be way ahead of IDEC. You would be right if they did not have a faster boat. Of course Idec had a great bunch of days ahead of where the boat is, now, but to think Gitana can't do better, with a MUCH newer and faster boat, is simply wrong. It certainly would have taken the pressure off them if they did not have to match or beat Idec's performance in the coming week(s), but they certainly can do at least as well with a next generation boat capable of knocking off miles significantly faster than IDEC.
  19. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Working for me, now, too.
  20. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    Is it just me, or is the Gitana site down?
  21. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    More of this, please. I love seeing the drone footage on these off-shore excursions. I have always thought, though, that the simplest, cheapest, and probably least risky way to have aerial footage would be to set up a very small control kite with a cam on it. They could use something like that for boat monitoring and ice/object spotting.
  22. GauchoGreg

    Jules Verne Trophy 2020

    crapola. LOVED watching the two matching up at the same time.
  23. GauchoGreg

    Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

    Girls with big noses always look better before they have them lopped off... I like the before version of LunaRossa better
  24. GauchoGreg

    Ultime / G-Class Development

    Can we PLEASE see them out on the JV course together!?!?!?!
  25. GauchoGreg

    Ultime / G-Class Development

    My point is that none are still OD and there are no OD events for them... they cannot compete with the bigger boats, they cannot set records, they are unlikely to win line-honors unless against boats they really should hardly care to race against, they cannot win handicapped events (nor would owners of such boats likely care to try), they are tweeners... too small to really tackle big races (big ocean stuff... see what Bruno Peyron said about them) but pretty awkward to use just for fun. Yeah, I would love to get a ride on one, and really impressive for what they can do at the price one can secure one for, but I don't see the point in owning one.