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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. The Deere 6068s have been run in both the Nordhavn 52 Dirona and in most of the FPB 64s. That's a lot of mid range rpm miles under the keel and no complaints that I have seen.
  2. Congrats Kim and Bob. Looks like a fun project. I have to say that I love a good flybridge. The view, the open air, etc. we never run the power boat from below. Things you might consider, if you already haven't: wind protection. 16 knots into 10-15 knots is 25-30 apparent, which can really wear you down. A good Venturi wind deflector helps a lot. Also, standing up higher while running can get really tiring as you roll through a wider arc and hang on. Have fun and thanks for sharing.
  3. we have have the ability to put 1000# of sea water on the rail in a 6000# boat with an 11.5' beam. It is amazing the difference the ballast makes in not just only heel angle, but motion. The boat goes from more a light, on top of the water feel, to more of a freight train, through the water. I can't imagine retro fitting anything like it. Ours was done as part of the build, so we ended up giving up a little stowage and obviously added some weight to close in the integral tanks and for plumbing and a pump.
  4. If you paint, be mindful of the tolerances to the bearings. Learned the hard way that painters like to prime and fill and add layers to make the paint job deep and glossy, which makes the pole diameter grow... which can lead to some stickiness. We painted boat our mast and sprit black after the clear coat started to go. Thought about white, but we were used to the black carbon look
  5. If you want an investment, buy land or company shares or leave the money in a bank (preferably not an origami bank). Boats are not an investment; they are about pleasure. They all lose capital value, and instead of paying cash dividends they have significant running costs. Even Dylan Winter's 1ksb loses value and requires upkeep. That boat has cost its owner a lot of cash. Like any boat, the return was always going to be in poetry rather than prose ... but that looks to me like fine poetry. I completely agree. I was just responding the OP which indicated surprise that it hadn't sold for the price. Like I said before, you see it with houses, classic cars, boats and more. People put money in on an emotional basis and then when they try to sell. they seem to believe that they should recoup a much higher percent of their investment than the actual market will bear. There is a house around the corner from me where a lady from California paid $1.2mm and estimates are that she put another half a million to make it to her tastes (way over improved). Then she decided she missed her friends and family back in Cali, never moved in and is trying to sell. She started at $1.7mm, which the broker told her was a pipe dream for a 100 year 3 bedroom Tudor. A year later, the house is still sitting empty and the price is down to $1.4mm. There's nothing wrong with spending money on your dream, it's just foolish to expect to get much,if any of your money back. The boat is the floating version of that house. Eventually someone will buy it for cents on the dollar compared to what was invested and have a very nice boat. BTW, Rives runs and owns part of the yard... maintenance on Carina is probably a bit different than for the rest of us.
  6. James McCurdy had a really good eye. Always liked his designs, How can that boat possibly be selling for that low price???? this is a same story over and over. Someone buys a boat because they love the lines, etc. They get sucked into spending an incredible sum of money that they will be lucky to get 10 cents on the dollar back. If I recall correctly, he started asking $350k or more and I'm sure he has even more into that. At the end of the day you still have an old aluminum boat that is going to be a bit of a maintenance beast. A good friend of mine looked at this boat when it was up on the north shore of Mass, then named Stewball IIRC, and was considering a much lower budget refit and he walked away. I think the SC 52 carbon rig is a bit of an issue, really too much for the boat. And let's be clear, so far that boat hasn't sold for that price, so it is likely going lower. I'd guess $125k. It's a lovely boat, but it's real value never justified the money that went into on a purely economic basis.
  7. Bob - isn't Betts shop full of Oracle guys who learned and advanced how to user carbon fiber on Dogzilla and are now using that knowledge and skill on the carbon cutters?
  8. Please be sure to support the hull around the lower bearing and the deck around the upper bearing before you continue to beat the shit out of it... all that force is going somewhere....
  9. Be careful not to be too exuberant when you brace underneath. The skin can flex and distort if you put too much pressure on it.
  10. Nice. Looking forward to seeing pics.
  11. I do find that they are fairly common. As has been pointed out, they are important for two purposes . 1) safely securing the anchor while underway. It's not the only way to do this, but they are quick and effective for this purpose 2) to prevent high loading on the windlass when setting or breaking the anchor free. Everything I have seen and read says that you should not put excessive load on the windlass and a good chain stopper provides an easy way of having a readily available and easy strong point to take the load off the windlass. 'Cause if it's not easy, it won't get used. Personally, I don't like setting the anchor on a snubber due to the rubber band effect, so we set the anchor with the chain stopper and once satisfied that it is properly set, we put the snubber on and let out another 10-20 ft.
  12. Think I'll pass on the round o-rings. These are the only things behind a large hole in the bottom of the boat. Looked at the James Walker site. Hard to tell what's comparable. Seems like most are hydraulic oriented. Didn't see anything that looked like what is on the ballast valve. Guess it's time to brush on my Franglish.
  13. Anyone have a source for the seals for these? They look like a u-channel in profile and there are two on the plunger. Thanks
  14. +1
  15. Read this. http://www.pressure-drop.us/forums/entry.php?72-East-Coast-Cruise-for-2012 Buy a boat, cruise the east coast, sell boat