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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.


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  1. If you're going to put full battens in the mizzen and use it for a riding sail, it might be worth discussing with your sailmaker how to keep them quiet - I've found that with full batten mains in light air the noise of the battens popping back and forth in a swell keeps me up all night. For use while sailing would think the full battens would be great, but as a riding sail think there may be a lot to be said for a super flat cut battenless sail to keep it quiet.
  2. My thought was snagged under a rock and some aggressive throttle-jockeying in reverse trying to free it, but don't really know - owner said he didn't notice anything weird about the recovery and didn't even notice the bent tip until his 6 year old son told him "Daddy, the anchor's bent" - weather was pretty calm (< 10kts wind) that weekend too, so think it can't have been waves, but maybe - do you think if the tip got snagged under a rock and the current reversed 180 degrees it could have done something like that?
  3. Just to add a note of anchor interest - the owner of our boat managed to bend a #125 galvanized Mantus last week - He has no idea how he did it but can be a bit clueless at times. Mantus was great with customer service - sent them a photo and called them and they had a new fluke in the mail to us the same day at no cost. This may back up Panope's comments about the relative weakness of the Mantus design vs. some of the others, but we are really impressed with how Mantus handled it.
  4. Oh, you're right - didn't see the Islander 30 label over there on the sidebar. My bad. Just read the "sailboat for sale. sails are in great condition. 3 cylinder diesel engine, runs great, low hours. birthed in alameda. interior is in great condition. comes with tv, depth gauge, stereo, cb, life jackets barbeque, extra sails, sleeps 6 ready to sail."
  5. 30' Sailboat - $9400 The boat actually looks OK from the pics, but you'd think for $9400 the owner would at least know what kind of boat he's selling... https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/6165756907.html
  6. BBQ propane tanks are normally 20 lbs
  7. Easypoxy red is weird - used to run a boat painted with black easypoxy topsides and red easypoxy trim on deck, and white easypoxy cabin side - the black hull paint lasted just fine year to year, we ended up repainting it yearly from dock damage and rust but not the easypoxy's fault. Same with the white - worked just fine. The red was really hard to use - took a long time to cure, stayed soft, and faded quickly.
  8. I was going to add the same thing - while it's not super fast and easy, particularly if there's any interior to be replaced, doing proper repairs to a metal hull is pretty straightforward. I'm not a welder but have been running a 70' steel sloop for the last 5 years and have had to get about 8 spots replated over that time due to corrosion. The prep time is a lot longer than the actual welding - getting the areas cut out with the correct minimum corner radiuses and minimum distances from bulkheads/existing welds takes a bit to do right, but once it's all prepped and the plate fitted actually sticking the steel into the hull is fast. Then comes the painting (and for us) fairing, but you'd probably have to do similar to blend in a nice repair job on glass as well.
  9. If your Monitor is more than about 2? years old then there is a new design for the turning blocks down there intended to cure this problem. Worked for me. good to know - this was about 5 years ago now so probably the old design. that redesign is a definite vote in favor of a monitor if we end up replacing the cape horn on the new boat.
  10. I've been using 795 as well and had great results on both acrylic and polycarbonate.
  11. Fram had metal sheathing along the waterline to avoid the "getting sawn up by ice" issue
  12. Reason it was done on the boat I was on was that the solenoid was in a location very exposed to elements (propane locker had a grating lid and 4" drains in the bottom which doubled as primary cockpit drains) so suspect that there were occasional solenoid failures as well. Like the idea of the bypass wire though.
  13. Think it's definitely a good idea - propane sniffers are notorious for issuing false alarms, when they get moist or get exposed to other fumes (using acetone nearby?). One boat that I've sailed on actually has a bypass hard-plumbed into the line with a shutoff valve on it, so if there is a sniffer or power failure you can just open the valve to bypass the non-functional solenoid. Suspect that this isn't allowed per regulations, but is much more practical than being stuck in the middle of the ocean without the ability to get gas out of the bottles.
  14. I think that was the Cape of Good Hope, not Cape Horn.... Yeah, I think he's been pretty clear that he's NOT going to take the Moore around Cape Horn...
  15. The short answer is that there probably is no "safe" hull length. People have rounded Cape Horn and sailed in the southern ocean on all sorts of boats of all sorts of sizes. I would recommend reading through Adlard Coles' "Heavy Weather Sailing," particularly the chapter about resistance to breaking wave strikes and the relationship between LOA and wave size for capsizes. Anecdotally, I would say 70' LOA is pretty safe, 60' LOA is decent, but depending on hull type and ability to sail actively in storm conditions you have the potential for issues, once you get down below 50' LOA it's pretty likely if you spend any length of time at sea in that part of the world you'll get knocked down, which isn't the end of the world. I sailed around Cape Horn (downwind) in 20012 as part of a circumnavigation in a 36'er - I wouldn't have wanted to go much smaller than that, and as it was I got pretty lucky with weather throughout the trip, and got knocked down 3 times over the course of my time in the souther Ocean, once with the rig well under water - was probably pretty close to the AVS of the boat. It's also important to take into consideration the extra strength and lack of forgiveness of mistakes that a bigger boat brings, as the gear and loads get exponentially bigger with length. That being said, there are some crazy french guys who have sailed beach cats around Cape Horn (from the shelter of the channels) and any number of small craft have been down there in both directions, from a Contessa 32 ("cape horn to starboard", John Kretschmer (sp?)), a 25' Vertue ("My Old Man and the Sea") to name just a few. I think there was a crazy italian or french guy who took a heavily modified Mini around the world in the southern ocean as well.