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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. The truth of the matter is there will be at least two investigations: 1) The first will be into the loss of life, and the safety factors (or lack thereof) surrounding this. This is what is being conducted by SF fire, police, and separately by the committee announced yesterday. It might include a very high-level estimation of the structural failure(s) that started the chain of events. The focus will be safety, and how loss of life can be avoided in the future. I expect it will focus primarily on team personal safety and SAR improvements. On this point, I do not think it is fair to speculate as to the lack of these capabilities that existed or that “the loss of life was avoidable” merely by observation of a couple of YouTube videos. I would rather wait for a detailed report that spells out the SAR capabilities at the time of the accident so that I can then form an educated opinion. 2) The second will be an internal team investigation into the technical structural failures that occurred on a one-off, highly proprietary design. You are half-retarded if you think this data will ever be seen in detail outside of the team or a civil courtroom. Even the courtroom is unlikely, as I am sure all involved signed very detailed liability releases in exchange for their paycheck. I am sure they also signed detailed confidentiality agreements, which is a good indication of why no one is speaking publicly. This was not a production J 1xx, that came apart under some asshat day sailing in the bay. It was a highly technical, highly specialized, highly proprietary, design that came apart. While I am terribly saddened that someone died, I also realize that the whole crew signed up to help test, evaluate, develop, and subsequently race this highly specialized design and understood (or I hope they did by now) the risks involved. While I would like to know more details, I fully recognize that I am entitled to none.
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  3. By my read, I don't think any of the video links we have seen (including "Raw Feeds") started filming prior to recovery. If my memory serves, one of the first images of the ABC live feed was of CPR being performed at the dock. The video posted by clean clearly is of the crew getting off of the boat and a diver in the water, but I do not see any sense of urgency that suggests that a team member is still in the water. The CBS link posted above I believe is quite sometime after the event, as all of the crew are off. All that are on the boat are what I guess to be shore crew given their dress trying to inspect/stabilize and get ready to tow.