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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Here is a photo of a vang winch, yours may look slightly different, and the Holt Allen vang key that will fit the bracket on your boom. The second photo shows how the differential winch was used in the boat. The vang winch is the top one with the reel to starboard; it's a bit hard to see. The photo is from Rodney Pattison's Olympic boat. Here is a photo of a vang winch, yours may look slightly different, and the Holt Allen vang key that will fit the bracket on your boom.
  2. Having been in engineering for generations -- oil, refrigeration, aerospace, software, sails, rigging -- my family has learned over and over that service business beats the living hell out of creation business. Service is parts and labor, and the last customer engagement has a big impact on the next engagement (you own your future). Creation requires risk, and the last customer engagement has surprisingly little influence over the next engagement (you don't own your future). I wish that I had learned that 43 years ago. I guess that I liked sailing too much.
  3. Ballenger did the decks on the first few Vanguard FDs. Augie Diaz had one. I am not sure if this is one of those boats, but the spi chute fairing looks the same, as does the deck knees, etc. . It is much earlier than 1993. Mike Loeb used a wooden decked Mader in 1984. That boat still exists.
  4. You can still get Dyform, it's now called Hammerpro or Hammersmith. Just re-rigged with it. Compact Strand is essentially the same product. We've used lots and it is just as good or better than Dyform and readily available. Hayn is building common rod parts and doing a nice job with it. It has been years since Navtec has been able to provide a consistent supply of rod and parts so most distributors have found alternate sources. BSI makes a quality product, but they are more expensive than Navtec was. They are really busy since Navtec's demise, so lead times are getting longer. It will be interesting to see what shakes out. I know of at least one company that is interested in what remains of Navtec.
  5. It is a Hall 232, but the measurements are 9.19" X 4.86". The moments are 63.7 x 15.6 in4. Ballenger Spars built the mast from the 232 section for 'Zeus' a custom Mac 65 owned by Hal Nelson in 1988. Also, the masts built in the 80's were usually much heavier than current spars. The thought back then was that small masts with lower windage were faster. Small masts had to be extensively stiffened to make them meet the required moments. Also wall thicknesses were heavier than now. When IMS started there was a rating advantage to larger tubes and we were able to make extrusions that were larger and lighter for the same moments. The equation for moments is the area times the distance from the neutral axis squared, so the advantage is definitely on the larger sections. For example a recent spar replacement on a 44' sloop with an older IOR style mast replaced with a slightly larger tube saved almost 140 lbs.
  6. It's been plenty of years since I've seen a FD with bags since most of the boats after about 1983 are double bottom. As I remember about the old boats, the most common layout was a large bag under the foredeck, several on both sides of the cockpit and another large one under the aft deck. The idea is to have the boat float relatively level when it is on it's side. I don't know who makes good flotation bags now. I have seen some restored boats with blocks of foam, but unless it is truly closed cell, which most available foam is not, it will get quite heavy through time. I think that the bags are much better, but you have to be careful that all protruding fasteners and sharp fiberglass are kept away from the bags for obvious reasons. FDs with bag flotation float really low in the water and I remember seeing some old boats that had the bags strapped as low as possible in the boat so that it would come up with as little water as possible. You might think about joining the US FD class since you are a two boat owner. I own a couple myself, it seems that one isn't enough. Good luck on your project. Post photos or questions or both.