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  1. Valiant 42 raised salon

    Flloyd: You could go to my web site at www.perryboat. com and read about consultation. I'm fairly certain that draft figure is wrong. Figure 6'2" draft. The PH model sails better than the standard model.
  2. Ugly New Boats - is it just me?

    It's not so much the overall boxy shape that bothers me, as Will points out, some of those boats can be very beautiful. What bothers me is the tedious sameness of the current production fleet. I have a fairly good eye but even I have a hard time telling one boat from the next these days. Funny this thread should pop up today. In the last two days I have received two emails from friends saying the exact same thing in response to the CW spread. I feel no impetus whatsoever to even try to be trendy. wa 2 by robert perry, on Flickr
  3. Pilothouse For Puget Sound, $40K Or Less

    Sailak: An IP racing class is not so stupid. Funny? yes. But you stand the best chance of learning how to get the most out of your boat wit the least effort if you race. I would encourage it. I've raced El Toro's and enjoyed it. I encourage everyone to enter some informal races. Quickest way to learn to sail. We raced the FD 35 PH model and came second boat for boat in class. Now that was a hoot! I think Donn, the owner, would tell you he learned a lot about the boats capabilities that day.
  4. That was funny. Cruel but funny.

    Bob P.

  5. Pilothouse For Puget Sound, $40K Or Less

    Last week. Early last week.
  6. Pilothouse For Puget Sound, $40K Or Less

    You see what you want to see. Rawson 30's are a special kind of slow. I remember racing against them back in the early '60's.
  7. Mocking Ads on Craigslist

    I had one years ago. Way too heavy for dragging up and down the beach easily. I gave it away and was glad to see it go. Someone told me they were designed for "kids and drunks".
  8. Shannon 39

    It will still be tender unless you load everything on the bottom of the keel! The Shannon always struck me as an American yard's attempt at building a Taiwan boat. I don't care for it at all. OK, it's well built. But the design is grim.
  9. Work in Yacht Design Offices

    Hope: Hard to say. We knew what Dick wanted to see aesthetically. He liked conservative looking boats with trim. clean small cabin trunks on a hull with a conservative sheer spring. Kind of the Ted Hood look, pure NE. Dick was never out to make an aesthetic statement. That said, I dont think he ever produced an ugly boat. Look at RED ROOSTER. Look at FRIGATE, AIRMAIL, YDRA on and on. But, it's been many years so I think I can safely tell this story: I was plugging away at some drawing when Yves -Marie called Dick down to help him with a lines drawing he was just finishing. The two of them him and hawed over exactly how to cut the transom off, i.e. what rake should there be to the transom and how much overhang there should be aft. All of this happened beyond the AGS so it had zero to do with the rating. It was 92% about looks. After about ten minutes they made their decision. and Yves-Marie struck the line. Dick left. I asked Yves-Marie why he involved Dick in such an inconsequential decision. Yves-Marie said,,, Well,I'm not going to tell you what he said. I'll tell you what I think you should hear. "Dick likes to have a hand in the look of the boat." I think that sums it up.
  10. October in the PNW

    Maybe it's virga-poop, the kind that evaporates before it hits the ground.
  11. October in the PNW

    Walking the dog on the beach this morning and seeing the flocks of Canada Geese flying over I decided I'd try a head count. I made a rough estimate of 400 to 500 geese per flock so during the 45 minutes i was out there I think I saw around 6,000 geese fly over. Plus one Crazy Eddy per flock. So,,,,6012 geese.
  12. Work in Yacht Design Offices

    Hope: I arrived at the Carter office about a year after Ydra's reign of terror in the One Ton class. Yves-Marie had been at the office for at least two years so he would be better at answering your question. But he's the quiet type so I'll give you my impression of how it worked. When I got to the tower Dick did not draw at all. He flew to Europe frequently and talked to clients. He would get a new commission and explain the job to us. Yves-Marie always drew the hull lines. Sometimes I would help by drawing a large scale detail of the stern so that the builder could get the AGS and AIGS girth stations precise. In essence, I was Yves-Marie's "grunt guy". I drew sail plans to dims given to me and deck plans with input from the team. I did some interior design also. I did a stability study, by hand, for a one tonner project. Chuck Paine also did interiors and structural drawings. Chuck was in charge of the IOR program we used. He had written it himself. Chuck also did some beautiful, hand sketched "renderings" of finished boats for promotion. Mark Lyndsay was Chuck's "grunt guy" and drew mostly interiors. Yves-Marie and I worked on one floor of the tower while Chuck and Mark had another floor to themselves The floors were about 12' square. The view was fabulous! Dick had his own floor. There were no doors. We could all hear the various conversations. The floors were connected by ladders. Dick wore leather "banker man shoes" and on occasion he would come crashing down the ladder, coffee cup in hand. From time to time Dick would come down to my floor and look over my shoulder. Sometimes he did not even know what boat I was working on. We had a suspicion that there were times Dick never studied the plans until he was on the plane to Europe. Dick was an idea guy and we turned his ideas into drawings. Mark Lyndsay took a clipping from a magazine that read "the drawing board of Dick Carter" and taped it to the front of HIS drawing board. There was no formal organization of the labor effort. It just flowed as required. It was a very enjoyable time for me. Lunch hours were a never ending discussion of yacht design elements. I'm pretty sure that none of us thought the Carter gig would go on forever. We all had dreams of having our own offices. It's just the way it works. I was taking home $157 a week and at that time Dick was considered a top payer. To save money I rode my bike to work each day, 32 mile round trip. I was very fortunate to have the opportunity to work for Dick. He's a great guy. We remain friends. That's how I remember it.
  13. Work in Yacht Design Offices

    B.J.: I am quite certain that this will not be an issue for Will. I think there is already a job waiting for him.
  14. There was that time when I screwed up...

    I have a few stories.Some really funny but I can't tell them until after I die..
  15. Work in Yacht Design Offices

    I know several who are not "flat out". One large office just laid off almost it's entire staff. I am trying to help a couple of guys find positions now and it's not easy to say the least. I'm a one man shop now and I manage to stay as busy as I choose to be. I haven't done a production boat in years and given the current trends in series built boats I think that's probably a good thing. 45' custom DE sloop now being built in Estonia being faired: fair 1 by robert perry, on Flickr