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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. We did a 60'er in the UK, Tumbridge Wells, and it was LLoyds inspected frequently during the build. Prior to the build extensive plans were submitted for approval. They would come back with arrows and circles for things that needed changing. LLloyds scantlings are VERY conservative. Maybe next week 'll get some of those drawings scanned and I'll post them. We can then wait for BS to post what he submitted to LLoyds. Don't hold your breath. Those BS drawings don't exist. I went through the same LLoyds process for the Lafitte 66 built in Taiwan. They required an additional longitudinal aft in the quarters. It was a canoe stern boat with a lot of shape aft.I think the added longitudinal was overkill but LLoyds did not. The last ABS certified boat I did was built at Schooner Creek. Again, lots of inspections and lot of drawings required to be certified. BS should double think his BS before he posts it here. We know better. He should stay away from areas where he has zero experience.
  2. I have done both LLoyds and ABS certified boats before and they always involved plan approval. I don't believe that BS is capable of producing the type of drawings required.
  3. This is what I like to see: One of my many children, this one a Fair Weather Mariner 38, anchored in Western Sumatra. Talk is cheap. But seeing people having a great time is priceless. Got this photo on Facebook a few minutes ago. I could be wrong but I'd say this beats a stanky mudflat any day. Nice lines on that stout boat if I do say so myself.
  4. I'm surprised that LLoyds would even certify a frameless steel boat. Can anyone verify that? I've read that bashing though 5" of ice BS before several times. I have never been in ice like that so I have no clew. But I do have a brain and it always seems incredulous to me. I am glad there are people here with ice experience to call BS on BS.
  5. Or, check out sugar beet farmer Lanny Crocker's alu Norseman 447. Built in Lanny's barn. No radiused corners. Welding a deck is no excuse for ugliness. It's just a product of lack of design skills.
  6. Here is proof that a steel deck, without radiused corners does not have to look like a clumsy POS. All you need is skilled design help.
  7. No BS, for God's sake read slowly. Point with your finger. Do something that will increase your poor comprehension. What I said was that with some control over the geometry of camber and house side rake the look can be improved and it requires no more welding. I realize that a radius corner requires more work. I know that a radiused corner is not in the BS style of total cruse all the way. Don't assume everyone else is as stupid as you are.
  8. You have no eye at all BS. Comments from you on aesthetics are worthless. Look at your own string of ugly boats.
  9. No, but I call you a liar and a fraud.
  10. Very doubtful. I don;t believe this for a second. Liars got to lie.
  11. In honor of Doug Peterson this is WINGS, a 40' Peterson grp IOR racer outfitted for cruising. WINGS left Seattle over ten years ago and has been cruising ever since. It's a fast and seaworthy boats with thousands of miles under its keel. It looks as good as the day it was launched. The owners love it.
  12. Interesting observation Fast. That was a most telling video. "Sea trials"? WTF?
  13. I would agree with you Kocher. No contest.
  14. I'll bet the shack on the C&C 35. C&C 35 is one of my all time favorite boats. I almost bought one.
  15. Jammies is a troll. All personal attacks and nothing about boats. What we used to call in Ballard, a creep. Posted from my "private hell" on the shores of Port Susan where the pasta Bolognese is on simmer. Yes, it is hell. Max and Daniele discussing the proper way to make pizza. Daniele won that argument.