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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
    • B.J. Porter

      Moderation Team Change   06/16/2017

      After fifteen years of volunteer moderation at SA, I will no longer be part of the moderation team. The decision to step aside is mine, and has been some time in the works but we did not wish to announce it in advance for a number of reasons. It's been fun, but I need my time back for other purposes now. The Underdawg admin account will not be monitored until further notice, as I will be relinquishing control of it along with my administrative privileges. Zapata will continue on as a moderator, and any concerns or issues can be directed to that account or to the Editor until further notice. Anyone interested in helping moderate the forums should reach out to Scot by sending a PM to the Editor account. Please note that I am not leaving the community, I am merely stepping aside from Admin responsibilities and privileges on the site.

Doug Lord

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  1. Stepped planing amas: check out the new Superfoiler video above showing some good shots of the ama design similar in concept to the Hydroptere amas and to the concept of the Fire Arrow/WOLF planing amas. The Fire Arrow/WOLF amas are not stepped planing hulls like Hydropteres amas or the new Superfoiler amas because , in essence, the ama hull ends at the back end of the planing surface. But all three are designed for incidental contact with the water at speed and ,as well, the Fire Arrow/WOLF amas are designed to be relatively low drag during wave interaction and during incidental low speed immersion(double ended ama hull). Also, the Fire Arrow/WOLF planing amas are supported by high dihedral crossarms with a curved ama "second stage" that keeps the crossarms well clear of the water even in a knockdown. pictures by DL:
  2. Early Flying Mantis Testing:
  3. New Superfoiler Video: Note the stepped planing ama hulls----
  4. Your rationale for inventing multiple names* for uptip foils is complete bullshit. Calling them any name other than what the designers named them is the essence of asininity!!! Ignoring what Gulari said about the loss of roll stability with "Z" foils would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic---you and your little buddy really, really don't get it."Z" foils have less RM and much less resistance to roll than do uptip foils-that's just a fact and a point that Bora felt had a big bearing on how a cat using them would have to be sailed. Ignoring and/or trying to redefine the conclusions reached by M&M in the actual testing of three different types of foil and discarding their conclusion that uptips were faster is nothing short of utter nonsense-why in hell do you think they used uptip foils on a boat specifically designed to be a no holds barred speed machine? *Especially "V" foils which have been around for decades and are not uptip foils!!!!
  5. Just don't get it, do you?!
  6. What do you mean by "V" foils? Superfoiler uses uptip foils. Gulari was referring to the loss of roll stability with "Z" foils-something that does NOT happen with uptip foils. The boat is brand new-a whole different concept-of course it will take time to get it right!
  7. The latest Superfoiler video is here: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/180878-trimaran-foiling-systems/#comment-5807990 The Superfoiler was designed by Morrelli and Melvin who invented(along with TNZ) the UptiP foils used on this boat. Additionally, they have done extensive testing of UptiP foils ,Z foils and "C" foils as shown in this paper for the N17-see page 26: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x44cb22wlw5zfvb/Meeting Presentation.pdf?dl=0 All foil design is a compromise and the "Z" foil compromise is reduced roll stability*, reduced RM and a reduced crew workload. UptiP foils are faster with more RM but require more effort. The latest video shows the Superfoiler performing well...... * interview with Bora Gulari on the N17: http://www.catsailingnews.com/2017/04/performance-sailing-nacra-17-foiling.html "The coordination between the helm and crew is going to be next level stuff, gone is the inherent stability of a cat. The boat is now sitting ontop of a teeter toter in the roll axis and there is a lot of inertia, feels much more like a big skiff than a catamaran in that axis to me."
  8. Flying Mantis Trimaran with daggerboard lifting foil: LOA 15' 3" Beam 7'10" http://www.flyingmantis.uk/home/ See thread here: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/185159-flying-mantis-15-trimaran/
  9. Flying Mantis Trimaran with daggerboard lifting foil: LOA 15' 3" Beam 7'10" http://www.flyingmantis.uk/home/ Specs: http://www.flyingmantis.uk/the-facts/ Picture from Flying Mantis website--
  10. Foiler Trimaran Takeoff Wind Speed--designer, manufacturer/ website, published info: I want to gradually collect as much of this sort of info as possible:(For reference the Quant 23 foiling keelboat takes off in 5 knots of wind according to the designer and manufacturer. The Whisper cat takes off in 5 knots wind speed according to the manufacturer website.) F101-8 knots wind speed takeoff-website WOLF-target 5 knots wind speed takeoff-designer
  11. TNZ has Guillaume Verdier on foils as well-probably the most innovative foil designer on the planet right now. And aero is critical and that picture shows TNZ looking real slippery. Like to know more about the "22 year old Kiwi female engineer"........... Having said that: Remember 2013 San Francisco ! Jimmy likes being behind at the beginning-makes the end all that much sweeter........
  12. I guess Martin sure beat your ass, huh? Getting slow, slow, slow.....
  13. Aerodynamic Drag-look at these crew shots: pictures by Sander van der Borch from catsailingnews.com
  14. Aerodynamic Drag ?????