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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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    movable ballast systems and..... justice.

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  1. It's interesting because many posters have tried to equate short foils with specialist "heavy air" foils and long foils with specialist "light air" foils. Taint necessarily true!
  2. TC, I just watched the TNZ video two more times. I'm convinced they were sailing with allround(AP) foils*. But, as you say: time will tell. They sure looked good today! * look how long those foils are!
  3. Funny, I watched that video twice and didn't see what you two are talking about. Both boats make a lot of spray at different times.
  4. AP foils?!
  5. Lets see: the Q23 has a ballast bulb attached to a fixed keel(in the customarily accepted sense) and it is a boat. And not just any boat : the very first foiling keelboat in history. Your problem with recognizing that is amazing and shows that you are very uninformed-and determined to celebrate that fact! Same with the two Minis: recognized ocean racers with ballast keels and lifting hydrofoils that allow both boats to fly. But your biggest problem is your need to diss all these boats because of your inability to understand how the new full foiling 60's with canting keels work despite there being tons of information available that explains this in detail. So to cover your inability to take all this in you have to invent a "cover" that "proves" your uninformed "thesis"-to your own detriment-and sooner or later-embarrassment. Unfortunate.
  6. SeAir from Foilers! : (shorter version posted on previous page)
  7. TC, when you change the rake you change the AOI(angle of incidence) of the horizontal portion of the foil w/o affecting the AOI of the daggerboard portion. IF you design a twisted vertical section, you can set it up to change the AOI of the vertical(daggerboard) portion without affecting the AOI of the horizontal portion! AOI is the change in the foil angle relative to the boat. AOA(angle of attack) is the flow relative to the board-big difference. AOI and AOA can sometimes have similar numbers but AOA is affected by waves , pitch attitude of the whole boat and more. AOI is a repeatable number reflecting a direct relationship between the angle of the foil and a line parallel to a fixed line on the boat such as the static and or flying waterline) and/or the centerline of the boat (viewed from above) and does not change with conditions. It only changes if the board angle is altered by the crew or automatically. The Interpretation referred to earlier allows a change in the angle of incidence about either the vertical or horizontal axis of rotation of the foil that occurs by the act of retracting or deploying the foil. As I said earlier rake(rotation about the athwartship horizontal axis*) is already allowed and provided for by systems on the boat. But AOI change of the vertical portion of the foil(daggerboard) -rotation about the vertical axis-is ILLEGAL unless done using a twisted board taking advantage of the Interpretation. This change in effective angle of incidence of the daggerboard portion can change the way leeway affects the course of the boat and can be adjusted ,to some degree, by moving the board up or down-all without affecting the AOI of the lifting portion of the foil. * cant is rotation about the fore and aft horizontal axis(an axis that pivots with rake as well) NOTE: the board would have to be built with the appropriate twist to the daggerboard portion of the foil.
  8. Nonsense-see the second half of paragraph 4 of post 12564.
  9. No!
  10. Second, I think the whole system on Artemis may be predicated on a twisted board which would allow a change in the AOI(Angle of Incidence) of the vertical section of the board, AKA"daggerboard", when the board is raised or lowered. Since it is illegal to rotate the board about the vertical axis by any other means this seems a more likely system for Artemis to use since they already have an effective rake control system for adjusting the AOI of the horizontal section of the board, AKA "lifting foil".
  11. First, you need to give correct info: (ii) The maximum rotation about the rake axis shall be 12 degrees and the rake axis shall be within 15 degrees of horizontal with the daggerboard set to appendage measurement condition
  12. From Oracle( take with a grain of salt)---
  13. Amazing! http://www.yachtingworld.com/yachts-and-gear/quant-23-on-board-the-first-foiling-keelboat-67953
  14. RS, the Vendee boats all dragged their asses--the rudder T foils eliminate that. And you must have missed a couple of major developments in the last two years-first, is the Quant 23 which is the first fully foiling keelboat in history and second, more recently are two Mini 6.5 keelboat foilers(Arkema and SeAir) both of which fully foil. Some rudder foils have adjustable AOI but on many foilers they are set at zero degrees and work automatically-starting out lifting and as speed reaches a certain point they automatically pull down. http://www.quant-boats.com/media/pdf/ae/70/1f/Boatdescription-Q23_Jan_2017_Euros.pdf picture from Michi at Quant boats: