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Doug Lord

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    Foiler design and development,.........sailing fast,
    movable ballast systems and..... justice.

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  1. bi-directional Proa

    Very interesting! Did you mean 150 sq.ft rather than 15? Good Luck! I'd love to see it rigged up......
  2. Gitana 17 on Foils

    From the Gitana site: Thomas Rouxel: Ah! It was my first Transat Jacques Vabre and I wouldn't have said no to a little victory! But here we are with this second place and that's no small feat. We made a strategic error at the Azores, which cost dearly and I think it was one of the key points in the race. Added to that, we had foil issues, which no longer enabled us to make a difference in terms of speed. Furthermore, we were up against two mighty candidates.
  3. Gitana Maxi 17

    From the Gitana site: Thomas Rouxel: Ah! It was my first Transat Jacques Vabre and I wouldn't have said no to a little victory! But here we are with this second place and that's no small feat. We made a strategic error at the Azores, which cost dearly and I think it was one of the key points in the race. Added to that, we had foil issues, which no longer enabled us to make a difference in terms of speed. Furthermore, we were up against two mighty candidates.
  4. Community Reputation Points

    Maybe because he doesn't spend a lot of time on SA advocating unpopular ideas?
  5. Sodebo foiling

    They're definitely not foiling in that picture. Maybe they were getting ready to tack?
  6. Gitana Maxi 17

    Again, it is highly likely Gitana could have won despite their foil and engine problems if they hadn't made this mistake. The distance behind at Sodebos finish was somewhere around 30-40NM as best I can tell.
  7. Community Reputation Points

    That's just incredible garbage!!
  8. Gitana 17 on Foils

    Not exactly right: Maserati's two foil problems were due to collisions at sea--not foil failures. However, for years I've said that some sort of electronic avoidance system needs to be developed or the crap in the water will kill off foilers.
  9. Gitana 17 on Foils

    Don't you mean "lowest pressure" ?
  10. Community Reputation Points

    I don't know BJ-theres a big difference between me and you-since I started here I've always advocated for new technology which pissed off the people that didn't like foils or movable ballast or new boats using this tech. I remember when a famous Mothie said there could be no foilers bigger than a Moth. I was attacked then by some of the Dark 7 because I said that was wrong. I said there would be foiling keelboats and was ridiculed because of saying that- and lo and behold Hugh Welbourn designed the first foiling keelboat in 2015. I said there would be foilers in the Americas Cup way before there were. I said foiling would change every aspect of sailing way before it did. Each time I made a point like that I was attacked by the same lowlifes that downvote me now. Now they see their chance to get back at me for emphatically disagreeing with the status quo and they're going for it. I posted about the foil system on the Fire Arrow and was attacked because of that and my insistence that it was a tremendous advance in trimaran design. And lo and behold some multimillion dollar trimaran programs have adopted similar systems. I've made some asinine posts and been wrong-but I've been right 100 times more than I've been wrong. There's a lot more going on here besides some low life "not liking me".
  11. Gitana 17 on Foils

    French translation from Dolfiman on boatdesign. Discussion of the course error that cost Gitana 124 miles. Without this error they still could have won even w/o the ama foils: From Dolfiman in the Transat thread:If Gitana speed potential is not technically affected, they still have a chance, they already show at the beginning of the race that they are able to go faster than Sodebo in reaching conditions. Their delay in time is only 30 mn. On the other hand Sodebo is a very sharp machine and currently easier to lead at 100% than new Gitana still in the learning curve as confessed Seb Josse on their site. He also confessed their wrong route option 2 days ago (it was not a tactical move as I presumed optimistically), in french on their site : "Thomas and Jean-Luc played a nice weather option that explains today that they are leading the race. After the passage of the Azores we had the choice between jibing several times or going under J0 (big gennaker). Given our position at that time, we opted for gybing and navigation under J1 (genoa) which was to allow us to gain in longitudinal. Sodebo made the opposite choice by shifting in the West to slip. Our choice did not pay, far from it. Not only the state of the sea in the night from Tuesday to Wednesday did not allow us to exploit as expected our choice of sail and our meeting with a grain without wind pushed the nail. In the end, it was Thomas and Jean-Luc who pulled the right edge and in view of the weather conditions that presented themselves in front of our bows we had last night to jibe at 90 ° of the road to get away from the African coast and areas of light winds in our south. On the way out of this resetting, the addition was salty: from a 64-mile credit at 21h, Gitana 17 conceded 60 miles at sunrise. "t's always hard as a decision but the evening files were very clear. Sometimes you have to know how to lose a little to not completely mortgage the next events" .
  12. Gitana Maxi 17

    French translation from Dolfiman on boatdesign. Discussion of the course error that cost Gitana 124 miles. Without this error they still could have won: From Dolfiman in the Transat thread:If Gitana speed potential is not technically affected, they still have a chance, they already show at the beginning of the race that they are able to go faster than Sodebo in reaching conditions. Their delay in time is only 30 mn. On the other hand Sodebo is a very sharp machine and currently easier to lead at 100% than new Gitana still in the learning curve as confessed Seb Josse on their site. He also confessed their wrong route option 2 days ago (it was not a tactical move as I presumed optimistically), in french on their site : "Thomas and Jean-Luc played a nice weather option that explains today that they are leading the race. After the passage of the Azores we had the choice between jibing several times or going under J0 (big gennaker). Given our position at that time, we opted for gybing and navigation under J1 (genoa) which was to allow us to gain in longitudinal. Sodebo made the opposite choice by shifting in the West to slip. Our choice did not pay, far from it. Not only the state of the sea in the night from Tuesday to Wednesday did not allow us to exploit as expected our choice of sail and our meeting with a grain without wind pushed the nail. In the end, it was Thomas and Jean-Luc who pulled the right edge and in view of the weather conditions that presented themselves in front of our bows we had last night to jibe at 90 ° of the road to get away from the African coast and areas of light winds in our south. On the way out of this resetting, the addition was salty: from a 64-mile credit at 21h, Gitana 17 conceded 60 miles at sunrise. "t's always hard as a decision but the evening files were very clear. Sometimes you have to know how to lose a little to not completely mortgage the next events" .
  13. Gitana 17 on Foils

    I didn't mean to downvote that post-nothing wrong with it like there was with your nasty personal attack on Rob Denney. I fixed it.
  14. Community Reputation Points

    I haven't really decided what it means-the only thing I'm real clear on is that this system allows, even encourages, the modern version of a lynch mob. 90% of total votes by just 7 people is an injustice and that pisses me off. If it can happen to me-it could happen to anybody.
  15. Gitana 17 on Foils

    Seven 7 people* are responsible for 471 down votes(90% of total votes!). That is a LYNCH MOB! And that is proof that this system is bullshit and totally meaningless. * that is: exceptional assholes