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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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  1. Good question. I thought one of the reasons the big offshore racing multis were trimarans instead of cats related to the righting moment profile. As soon as a cat flies a hull, it's righting moment begins to decrease with increased heel. So there is less margin for error from a big puff when pushed hard in big wind and seas. On a tri, as long as the main hull is touching the water, the righting moment continues to increase with heel until the main hull lifts out and then righting moment begins to decrease as in a catamaran. When pushed hard in big wind and seas the big tris seem to trim sails and steer the boat so that the main hull is just skimming. If you just put lifting foils on the amas, when the main hull lifts out of the water, the boat starts behaving like just like a catamaran. I think that a foiling trimaran would make the most sense with some of the lift from foils in the center hull as well as the amas. Then you get a behavior more like a tri. If the center foil leaves the water, you then lose that lift resulting in increased righting moment to decrease the heel. It will be interesting to see how they develop. Modern tris also fly the main hull, but they still have the following benefit over cats. They have a long centreboard in the main hull which progressively comes out of the water as they heel. This reduces the heeling moment and gives them extra margin for error.
  2. About that, how did the AC community enshrine the IACC class (and before that the 12m's) in the rules? Did the potential future challengers commit to maintaining the same class for the following cycle or was it, as fireball mentioned, renegociated each time? The defenders used to have the representative of a friendly yacht club as a guest onboard their official yacht during the last race - so they could be the challenger of record. But this doesn't work if the challenger wins. For example, if ETNZ had won AC34 then almost everything would be different about AC35, not just the venue.
  3. I love the foiling cats and I think the move to 48 footers is a good idea. But I agree with many posters that the current arrangement doesn't have anything much to do with the America's Cup. The organizers seem to regard the DoG as an inconvenience that they need to work around and they seem more interested in setting up a permanent pro circuit, rather than a challenge series that gets renegotiated each time. At some stage they are going to have to come clean and ditch the connection to the America's Cup and try and run their regattas on their own.
  4. If the dimensions on the FP are correct then the new boats will be seriously fast! The beam is the key parameter to determine power and they are proposing a 30 foot beam - up from 22' 6" for the AC45s.
  5. The qualifying series was a stupid idea wherever it was held. They didn't have enough entries to justify running a qualifying series.
  6. I recall a video during AC34 where Schiller was discussing a proposal to run AC35 in AC45s. He was spruiking an F1 style circuit to potential sponsors and was getting a bit ahead of himself because, at that stage, ETNZ was looking hard to beat in AC34. There was also the video mentioned above where LE mentioned using the AC45s during the AC35 protocol negotiations.
  7. I don't know whether this will actually happen, but I think it's a very good idea. The AC35 protocol made no sense. Why build all these 45 footers and spend years developing them and then race a single 62 footer at the end? It was even more ridiculous when the Australian COR withdrew because of costs very soon after the protocol was released. If they were to go to a boat around 45 foot then they could use the same boats for everything. They would be much safer, have less problems with cavitation, save lots of money and probably get more entries. Seems like a no-brainer! Pity they didn't do this in the first protocol because all these points were obvious then.
  8. Yes - when comparing prices you have to take into consideration that a properly constructed boat is going to have a very long competitve life. You'll have to buy a new sail from time to time, but the hulls for a small single hander should be competitive for many years. This should improve resale values. It's way overdue that we have a simple reasonably priced single hander with up to date construction.
  9. I'll try again. This is the description of the C class with t-foils: http://www.stevekilling.com/SteveKilling_CSYS2009.pdf If that doesn't work, go to stevekilling.com and look in the publications section
  10. Australia has a free trade agreement with Thailand, so there shouldn't be any import duties into Australia. Correcting for the lower GST (10% versus VAT of 20%) and assuming equal shipping costs gives a price of $10,337 RS Sailing: is this roughly what it will cost in Aus?
  11. Yes - it's like sailing a moth upright. This didn't work in the C class - see Figure 24 in http://www.stevekilling.com/SteveKilling_CSYS2009.pdf. Maybe angling the foils would help. You'd probably have to raise the windward board.
  12. With the laser class in disarray, it looks like there is a queue of boats wanting to take over.
  13. Looks good to me. I'd be interested in something like this. I sailed a laser in the 1980s and wouldn't go back to one. The world has moved on since 1980. It's ludicrous that people are still sailing boats like the laser that are poorly constructed and deteriorate rapidly.
  14. That would explain why VX's are falling into two tiers of SMS rating. Are sugar scoops required for all VX's to qualify for ASBA? Are some flying masthead spins?ASBA has a 6.0m minimum length rule for its events. Non-ASBA regattas don't necessarily include this rule. SMS doesn't have this rule. SMS is similar to IRC in being a secret formula that gets updated if the results favour one type of boat. It's straightforward to get different SMS certificates if you make changes to your boat. SMS is run by a separate body not connected to the ASBA. So the VXs will have different SMS ratings depending on whether they use a sugar scoop and the size of their spinnakers. Most of the sportsboats in Australia have masthead spinnakers. The Viper is the main exception, but the Viper spinnaker is still quite large. The one design VX spinnaker is tiny by Australian standards.
  15. If these numbers were real (6.5 upwind, TWS+2 downwind) the VX would be consistently faster than the Viper 640. This is not the case, according to ASBA results, where the fastest Vipers are beating the fastest VXs. A very small speed difference...not a reason to choose one boat over the other. But caveat emptor when it comes to anecdotal speed claims and polars. My understanding is that the VXs racing in ASBA events are modified. They have a sugar scoop extension to make them 6.0m to comply with the ASBA rules. I believe they've also used masthead spinnakers.