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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. We at one time had five of them sailing at Melbourne YC in Florida. From the results of the 2007 MYC Fall Regatta: #3 Fast Lane, pictured above owned by Sherry Beckett. Sail# 284 Starstruck owned by Steve Schultz, #5 Five Speed owned by Gary Smith, #12 Mouse owned by Jim Henry, and Sail# 32591 Bad Penny owned by Jim Yates. Sail #4 is now called Slippery Ghost and owned by Lachlan and Warrick Smith, Gary Smith's sons. They sail it in Melbourne.
  2. I researched Aero ratings along with John D in April for the Melbourne YC Spring Regatta (Florida). I was at first a little skeptical of the Texas numbers of 87.5 for the nine and 90.3 for the seven after we compared the RYA numbers. We finally decided that the numbers should really be more like 88 and 90, but that we would use the Texas numbers. My belief is that the RYA numbers reflect that there is generally more wind in the UK. The Aero's have the chine which gives them more wetted surface, but more stability and better planing ability in the higher winds. Lasers have less wetted surface and are probably faster in light winds. That makes a direct comparison of RYA to USA Portsmouth numbers invalid. At the end of the day, it is really difficult to base valid conclusions on limited observation because it is hard to separate sailor skill from boat performance in a small sample. As it turned out, the Aero's came up with enough boats to sail one design so we did not get good times between them and other boats.
  3. Remember that the Stone Horse was designed for Vineyard Sound and Buzzard's Bay. It's windy there and the currents can cause steep waves. So not a light air boat, but can do alright in 15+ with waves.
  4. As I understand it, there were a number of Aero Charters available in Florida and there was a fairly large push to get people in them and out sailing. I do not know if that was the case with the Melges or not. I know of four local people that chartered Aero's for the Jenson Beach regatta. Its a great way to find out if you like the boat, but does not necessarily equate to buying them. Those people are all still sailing their Lasers and plan to stick with them because they know they will have a fleet to sail against. If I were in the market, the Aero looks like the boat I would be more interested in, but it will be at least another year before I can get back in any dinghy again.
  5. Has anyone noticed the "Standard Sailing Instructions" in Appendix S. I recently put out an NOR which referenced that we would be using them at an upcoming regatta and included the link to the rule book on World Sailing. I can't believe the number of negative reactions I've received. Comment "You can't make me buy a rule book!" (me) You don't have to buy it, I gave you a link to a free download." Comment " Well I don't have to know the rules to race!" (me) "Well you agree to follow them whenever you enter a race. How do you do that if don't at least learn the basics?" There are 6 pages of right of way rules. Boy that is really tough.
  6. It was hard for me to watch closely as I was running the 420 course on the other side of the ICW. I know we rated the Bic's at 114 and they looked to be beating everyone but the Lasers boat for boat. The Lasers were out front in each race as expected. The OA wound up scoring the Lasers as a one design class and I did not see the actual time spreads. The Bics were 1-2 in Portsmouth which I believe included a fairly well sailed Radial. The Bic's were well sailed too.
  7. I had found that post, but was hoping that someone had direct USSA information. If you divide the USSA D-PN for the opti (123.6) by the YV number (166.5) and then multiply by the bic rating (153.3) it gives you a USSA D-PN of 113.8. The class rep gave me numbers for the Bic at US Portsmouth rating of 120.9. RYA rating 1454. I am not sure where these numbers come from as neither RYA or USSA have published them. But since the RYA for the Opti is 1665, the same sort of ratio should put the Bic at 107.9. The Opti's will be in their own division on a different course this weekend and the Bic's will be in an open division with about 8 different types of boats, several of which have no ratings and little data of actual performance. May just have to roll the dice and see what comes up.
  8. Not wishing to start another my boat is better than your boat thread. Just want to come up with a fair rating for Open Bics that will be sailing in a Portsmouth Division this weekend. There is no RYA PN or USSA D-PN for the boats published by these organizations. I found a D-PN of 153 on Wikipedia which hardly seems logical since an Opti is 123.5 and the manufacturer at least says Bic's are faster. Based on actual observation, can anyone please tell me what boats the Bics are similar in performance to and if they are faster or slower than the Bic? Thanks in Advance, Foxy
  9. The problem at the local level is that you often have a rotating RC. When shorthanded and not used to doing it, its not so easy to record finish times as well as finishes, apply the wind adjusted ratings and so on. I can easily see why the data sheets don't get filled out and forwarded. That said, there are some clubs that do a good job of administering both Portsmouth and PHRF at the local level so it can be done. But many more just don't have the interest or people with the talent to administer it. While there are some paid employees at US Sailing, the organization is largely made up of volunteers who run races and perform various functions when they can. WE are all US Sailing.
  10. No crocs in lakes, only gators. Define bigger boats? Over 40, or will 20 to 30 feet satisfy you? What about a larger dinghy like a Flying Scot or a Lightning? There is a great sailing club in Eustis with lots of activity. Lake Monroe has a good group of 20-25 foot boats racing under Portsmouth and the Melbourne area has a good J-24 fleet and some PHRF.
  11. We were only discussing the hull weight. And for the record, I am not saying that either laminate is or is not adequate. For that one would need to consider a lot of factors and do a proper panel study.
  12. I think most of you are overlooking the fact than cedar strip planking is not a non-structural core like balsa or foam. It is a layer of unidirectional fiber (that happens to be wood) within the laminate stack. When engineering the laminate, one should be using unidirectional E-glass fabric in the 90 degree orientation and depending on the size of the boat, +/- 45 degree fabric to help with the torsional loads. The skins can be much lighter with thinner cedar planking than a foam/glass laminate. With your proposed cores, A 9mm Cedar strip with 200 GSM UDR skins @ 90 is 9.428 mm thick with a weight of 4.039 kg/m2. A laminate with 13mm Duracore and 400 GSM Biaxial skins is 15.980 mm thick and weightss 3.550 Kg/m2. Stiffness Properties are: Cedar with 200 GSM UDR 9.43 mm thick; EI 0.620 N/m2 and bending moment of 499.10 N,mm/mm 13mm Durakore with 400 GSM skins 13.98 mm thick; EI .500 N,m2 and bending moment of 375.22 N,mm/mm So your cedar strip planking ends up being considerably stiffer with only a 14% weight premium.
  13. I've been using a GPS to set marks for over 15 years. But most people you find on RC don't own one and don't know how to set a waypoint themselves. When I run races, (often at different venues) I generally set way points in my GPS and hand it to the mark boat. That gets them in about the right spot and I can adjust the bearing by eye if the wind direction changes. For anything more complicated than a W/L, I use tables that give me a bearing and range from Signal to each mark. So if they have a waypoint for signal, I can give them a back bearing and range to set up on and I can check the bearing from my end. I usually make up speed tables for the different boats, so I can calculate how far to set the marks to run a race of a given duration and if we are running on schedule or not. It makes it very easy to determine when I need a course change, what I need to do and how to direct the mark boats to get it done. I find it interesting that US Sailing does not cover any of this in their Race Management classes, either the basic or the advanced versions. There is about a page or so about timed races along with a couple of pretty basic tables in the Race Management Handbook (last published in 2009). But there is a lot of information on the web on course layouts by GPS if you go look for it and World Sailing has a really good spreadsheet for Olympic Classes.
  14. While I started sailing in an Opti, I never raced it or belonged to a sailing program. I sailed on the lake behind our house with the family dog. If I took off without him he would swim behind the boat until I brought him aboard. Later on, I became a junior member of CGSC in Miami and started to race in larger dingy's. But most summer days I just rode my bike down to the club and went sailing with the other kids. We sailed all over Biscayne Bay and took turns with whose boat(s) we took. Small boat racing was mostly a family affair and many families owned more than one boat. Kids sailed with and against the adults and were not placed in "youth classes" by themselves. Things are different now and looking back, I think I might have become a better racer with a coach to mentor me, but I did become a more self-reliant sailor and person because I didn't have a coach and helicopter parents. But I wouldn't get rid of programs, especially the community sailing programs. Many kids that are not from sailing families start sailing in high school because of the school teams. Sure, many kids drop out of Opti's and other sailing programs, but without them many of these kids would not be sailing at all. The critics should remember that!
  15. To play devil's advocate here; How many people racing in Portsmouth classes actually belong to and support US Sailing? My guess is that it is not very many. While many clubs will have a Portsmouth class at their annual regatta, it is usually just to give the orphan boats some fleet to sail in and they only use the DPN rating. I know of only one club in central Florida that routinely runs races under Portsmouth. However, they keep records of results and administer rating adjustments themselves. They have done this now for at least 10 years and the club always has a good turn out for club racing.