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  1. Atlantic Cup

    Longbow is on the great lakes - too much time for the owner to take off work
  2. Missing yacht from RHKYC

    Life Buoy 15 I have spent many hours talking to MRCC folks on both sides of the Atlantic in fact I lived on an island with a total of 10 people in the middle of the southern ocean for 14 months with a search and rescue coordinator for HM Coastguard. We had many conversations as one would when on a remote island. I don't believe you understood why we suggest staggering your EPIRBs it is so you don't use up batteries straight away on both units. I fully understand ice9a idea about setting off two at once and he is correct that MRCC is more likely to respond quicker. It really comes down to whether you are in a coastal or deep ocean situation. That is where you have to make the decision. I operate in Antarctica as an ice pilot and even with the Argentine and Chilean joint naval patrol you should assume you might be in a position where rescue is more than a single EPIRB battery away especially in the cold. Sailabout With regards to HF's not being on it is irrelevant why would you not use a tool that is available to you making an assumption that there is no one out there? You must use all available means to signal your distress. We stress that DSC is an extremely useful one whether it is VHF, MF or HF. We don't advocate it as your only means of signaling distress. Why wouldn't you use every available option? But understand that they are a limited resource all powered by batteries whether they are VHF, MF, HF, Sat Phone, Sat C, EPIRB, handheld VHF and therefore should be used in an intelligent fashion.
  3. Missing yacht from RHKYC

    So help me with this as I think the length of the Epirb signal tells a story. 48 Hours or 102 Hours, fairly big difference there. So even at 48 Hours says the boat did not suffer a catastrophic event and sink in a few minutes? Or they boarded the life raft and had the Epirb with them. Either scenario says they were able to either stay with the boat or they boarded the raft? Am I correct in assuming this? If it was 102 Hours, will the battery last that long? One would have thought someone could have flown over the signal within 102 Hours? 48 Hours perhaps a different story.? Just trying to paint a couple of scenarios as to their actions or options once the Epirb was activated? Thoughts??? BUMP.! I don't know where the 102 hour figure comes from doesn't mean it is not true but legally the minimum transmission time is 48 hours, it sounds like it was a new one so the battery would be in date. I am sure someone on SA will have a better answer for you. I have been told that a GPIRB will try to get satellite signals to figure out a position however if it takes too long it will revert to being an Epirb in order to retain battery life. We all know how quickly a handheld gps drains batteries when trying to find a position after you have flown somewhere with it so that makes sense to me that they would have a feature to go to EPirb mode.
  4. Missing yacht from RHKYC

    A few comments from my point of view teaching Sea Survival courses. I truly believe in DSC as my primary distress alert tool whether it is VHF, MF or HF assuming of course there is a GPS connection, the MMSI is programmed in and the antennaes have been correctly installed. The reason why is that offshore my closest help is from vessels in the area. My EPIRB, PLB (unless it is an AIS PLB) and sat phone are only being heard by the MRCC's not by my immediate form of rescue all the vessels in range of my VHF, MF or HF or INMARSAT. This isn't to say I am not going to set off my EPIRB I am but I am going to do a DSC Distress Alert followed by a voice Mayday call. (this is all in an ideal situation of the boat not instantly sinking from under me of course or the keel has torn off and we are inverted and that I have power!) We teach to cycle your two EPIRBs if you have two because SOLAS regs say they are to have a minimum of 48 hour battery life. SOLAS says you are likely to be rescued in 3 days but if you are in Antarctica that could be 6 days. If you want to do as Ice9a suggests so they really take notice we teach to do that by turning on that second EPIRB 24 hours after the first one. That way they still know you are out there wanting to be rescued if for some reason your satphone is not working. Also use your PLB only if you get separated from your EPIRB that way the MRCC has an idea that they are now looking for and individual rather than the liferaft with the crew. The SAR also wants you to have battery power left in your EPIRB so they can use it to home in on your 121.5mhz signal. Assuming you don't have a SART. Also when you set of the EPIRB if you have used your DSC function then the MRCC has a clue that most likely your vessel containing the DSC gear has sunk or you no longer have power. Basically our theory is to use the EPIRBs to alert the MRCC's but also use them in such a way that you are 'communicating' in that you are still out there, still need help or that you are now on your own and no longer part of the group with the ships EPIRB. Oh a few more bits of potentially useful information on your EPIRB 1) get the ones that have a GPS feed if you can so that your GPIRB has an immediate position and doesn't have to look for GPS satellites see ACR GlobalFix iPRO 2) don't set it off in a carbon hull 3) make sure the strobe light on top is not under your liferaft canopy as using night vision goggles SAR can see your light from 10s of miles away when searching for you
  5. Missing yacht from RHKYC

    In amongst all the abuse there are some people on this thread with some good information. I think Jack Sparrow is trying to describe the GMDSS (Global Maritime Distress Safety System) and is pointing out that Yellowbrick is not part of that system. Looking at the Sea Area maps of the area the vessel was in Sea Area A3. I may be wrong but I doubt the vessel would have been GMDSS compliant most recreational vessels aren't. For A3 to be compliant you would have either INMARSAT and MF or HF(with DSC), VHF (with DSC), a navtex receiver and a 406 EPIRB, a SART and handheld VHF (up to 3). What it sounds like they had was an unregistered EPIRB (we don't know if it was a GPIRB or indeed could have been a PLB). An EPIRB position report using Doppler shift can take up to 3 hours, the battery life is typically 48 hours. An EPIRB is considered under GMDSS to be a secondary means of distress alerting. To those in the recreational world of sailing it is seen as the primary but to the emergency services it is secondary that is important to remember. This is because an EPIRB doesn't tell us how many persons are in distress, doesn't tell us whether they are still on their vessel (they might be in a liferaft) and it doesn't allow two way conversation. So the purpose of an EPIRB or GPIRB is as a secondary means of distress alerting and to provide position information for survivors during SAR ops. So what is your primary means of distress alerting? HF, VHF DSC following by a voice mayday call. To the person who said who listens to HF radio it is a requirement for all vessels fitted with HF to maintain a listening watch on 8414.5kHz in reality we know that doesn't necessary happen however, you can't ignore the annoyingly loud DSC distress alert whether it is send on VHF, MF or HF. What we don't know is if they had VHF with DSC with the MMSI programmed in and hooked up to a GPS it sounds like they didn't use it if they had it. I don't know how much shipping is generally in the area they were in but I am sure there is enough and if they had hit the distress button on the VHF certainly the commercial vessels in the area would have received an alert. Why didn't the MRCC use the AMVER system - probably because they didn't set off the DSC Distress Alert. Sounds like they didn't have NAVTEX because if they did they would have been receiving Maritime Safety Information which would have told them about the impeding track of the weather system. I personally would never rely on a Yellowbrick and I have done a lot of racing with them but yes I would for sure abandon ship with it if I had time but I would take my satellite phone in a waterproof case over the yellowbrick if I could only grab one item AFTER I grabbed my GPRIB, SART and my handheld VHF with DSC. My two cents worth - sorry for the ramble...