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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Longbow is on the great lakes - too much time for the owner to take off work
  2. Life Buoy 15 I have spent many hours talking to MRCC folks on both sides of the Atlantic in fact I lived on an island with a total of 10 people in the middle of the southern ocean for 14 months with a search and rescue coordinator for HM Coastguard. We had many conversations as one would when on a remote island. I don't believe you understood why we suggest staggering your EPIRBs it is so you don't use up batteries straight away on both units. I fully understand ice9a idea about setting off two at once and he is correct that MRCC is more likely to respond quicker. It really comes down to whether you are in a coastal or deep ocean situation. That is where you have to make the decision. I operate in Antarctica as an ice pilot and even with the Argentine and Chilean joint naval patrol you should assume you might be in a position where rescue is more than a single EPIRB battery away especially in the cold. Sailabout With regards to HF's not being on it is irrelevant why would you not use a tool that is available to you making an assumption that there is no one out there? You must use all available means to signal your distress. We stress that DSC is an extremely useful one whether it is VHF, MF or HF. We don't advocate it as your only means of signaling distress. Why wouldn't you use every available option? But understand that they are a limited resource all powered by batteries whether they are VHF, MF, HF, Sat Phone, Sat C, EPIRB, handheld VHF and therefore should be used in an intelligent fashion.
  3. So help me with this as I think the length of the Epirb signal tells a story. 48 Hours or 102 Hours, fairly big difference there. So even at 48 Hours says the boat did not suffer a catastrophic event and sink in a few minutes? Or they boarded the life raft and had the Epirb with them. Either scenario says they were able to either stay with the boat or they boarded the raft? Am I correct in assuming this? If it was 102 Hours, will the battery last that long? One would have thought someone could have flown over the signal within 102 Hours? 48 Hours perhaps a different story.? Just trying to paint a couple of scenarios as to their actions or options once the Epirb was activated? Thoughts??? BUMP.! I don't know where the 102 hour figure comes from doesn't mean it is not true but legally the minimum transmission time is 48 hours, it sounds like it was a new one so the battery would be in date. I am sure someone on SA will have a better answer for you. I have been told that a GPIRB will try to get satellite signals to figure out a position however if it takes too long it will revert to being an Epirb in order to retain battery life. We all know how quickly a handheld gps drains batteries when trying to find a position after you have flown somewhere with it so that makes sense to me that they would have a feature to go to EPirb mode.
  4. Good news we got insurance through BoatUS they even dropped the premium that was first quoted without Newport Bermuda by $1000 and they will allow us to race for $63 more :-) Thanks a ton to ice 9a for the introduction and reference to the VP of underwriting at BoatUS. Oh and also a shout out to Gowrie Mark Gargula who worked really hard for us getting numerous quotes and trying to persuade other companies to insure.
  5. A few comments from my point of view teaching Sea Survival courses. I truly believe in DSC as my primary distress alert tool whether it is VHF, MF or HF assuming of course there is a GPS connection, the MMSI is programmed in and the antennaes have been correctly installed. The reason why is that offshore my closest help is from vessels in the area. My EPIRB, PLB (unless it is an AIS PLB) and sat phone are only being heard by the MRCC's not by my immediate form of rescue all the vessels in range of my VHF, MF or HF or INMARSAT. This isn't to say I am not going to set off my EPIRB I am but I am going to do a DSC Distress Alert followed by a voice Mayday call. (this is all in an ideal situation of the boat not instantly sinking from under me of course or the keel has torn off and we are inverted and that I have power!) We teach to cycle your two EPIRBs if you have two because SOLAS regs say they are to have a minimum of 48 hour battery life. SOLAS says you are likely to be rescued in 3 days but if you are in Antarctica that could be 6 days. If you want to do as Ice9a suggests so they really take notice we teach to do that by turning on that second EPIRB 24 hours after the first one. That way they still know you are out there wanting to be rescued if for some reason your satphone is not working. Also use your PLB only if you get separated from your EPIRB that way the MRCC has an idea that they are now looking for and individual rather than the liferaft with the crew. The SAR also wants you to have battery power left in your EPIRB so they can use it to home in on your 121.5mhz signal. Assuming you don't have a SART. Also when you set of the EPIRB if you have used your DSC function then the MRCC has a clue that most likely your vessel containing the DSC gear has sunk or you no longer have power. Basically our theory is to use the EPIRBs to alert the MRCC's but also use them in such a way that you are 'communicating' in that you are still out there, still need help or that you are now on your own and no longer part of the group with the ships EPIRB. Oh a few more bits of potentially useful information on your EPIRB 1) get the ones that have a GPS feed if you can so that your GPIRB has an immediate position and doesn't have to look for GPS satellites see ACR GlobalFix iPRO 2) don't set it off in a carbon hull 3) make sure the strobe light on top is not under your liferaft canopy as using night vision goggles SAR can see your light from 10s of miles away when searching for you
  6. Thank you for the kind words EXO. It was indeed a fun race for us especially as it was my brothers first proper offshore he has gone on to do so much more since that race it was the catapult. The whole purpose of bringing the boat to the east coast of the US is because our nieces and nephew live in New Jersey and we want them to learn to sail on the family boat. So we will be on the line of Newport Bermuda in Santana it is just a matter of insurance. I am sure that will get sorted thanks to all the leads from the people of SA.
  7. In amongst all the abuse there are some people on this thread with some good information. I think Jack Sparrow is trying to describe the GMDSS (Global Maritime Distress Safety System) and is pointing out that Yellowbrick is not part of that system. Looking at the Sea Area maps of the area the vessel was in Sea Area A3. I may be wrong but I doubt the vessel would have been GMDSS compliant most recreational vessels aren't. For A3 to be compliant you would have either INMARSAT and MF or HF(with DSC), VHF (with DSC), a navtex receiver and a 406 EPIRB, a SART and handheld VHF (up to 3). What it sounds like they had was an unregistered EPIRB (we don't know if it was a GPIRB or indeed could have been a PLB). An EPIRB position report using Doppler shift can take up to 3 hours, the battery life is typically 48 hours. An EPIRB is considered under GMDSS to be a secondary means of distress alerting. To those in the recreational world of sailing it is seen as the primary but to the emergency services it is secondary that is important to remember. This is because an EPIRB doesn't tell us how many persons are in distress, doesn't tell us whether they are still on their vessel (they might be in a liferaft) and it doesn't allow two way conversation. So the purpose of an EPIRB or GPIRB is as a secondary means of distress alerting and to provide position information for survivors during SAR ops. So what is your primary means of distress alerting? HF, VHF DSC following by a voice mayday call. To the person who said who listens to HF radio it is a requirement for all vessels fitted with HF to maintain a listening watch on 8414.5kHz in reality we know that doesn't necessary happen however, you can't ignore the annoyingly loud DSC distress alert whether it is send on VHF, MF or HF. What we don't know is if they had VHF with DSC with the MMSI programmed in and hooked up to a GPS it sounds like they didn't use it if they had it. I don't know how much shipping is generally in the area they were in but I am sure there is enough and if they had hit the distress button on the VHF certainly the commercial vessels in the area would have received an alert. Why didn't the MRCC use the AMVER system - probably because they didn't set off the DSC Distress Alert. Sounds like they didn't have NAVTEX because if they did they would have been receiving Maritime Safety Information which would have told them about the impeding track of the weather system. I personally would never rely on a Yellowbrick and I have done a lot of racing with them but yes I would for sure abandon ship with it if I had time but I would take my satellite phone in a waterproof case over the yellowbrick if I could only grab one item AFTER I grabbed my GPRIB, SART and my handheld VHF with DSC. My two cents worth - sorry for the ramble...
  8. Yes sorry EXO 2005 is when our team won transatlantic race not on Santana then in 2006 lighthouse trophy on lively lady. Murphness very sorry you had to endure my brother on a transat! :-) Thank you ease hike trim yes I am a she! US7070 you got the picture re insurance companies wishes not race organisers Santana is a highly modified Capo 30 - bowsprit, asym, code 0, new rudder, new keel, new keel floor etc etc she has been in our family for 15 years and is ISAF Cat 2 compliant as well as ORR compliant in terms of stability etc. As mentioned Myles and I won our class in Two Handed Round Britain and Ireland in the boat. The insurance companies don't like her size. They should base their decisions not on size but on stability, safety equipment etc. but I am not about to win that fight in a few days. Thank you Ice9a I am getting somewhere with BoatUS and Gowrie is still working on the case.
  9. They laughed at me when I said she was over 30 with the bowsprit!
  10. Thanks for link on Newport Bermuda we won lighthouse trophy in 2005 ....
  11. Capo 30 has done double handed round Britain and Ireland we won our class just did fastnet and would love to do the cheap insurance but have been told that I need to have insurance with the companies for at least 6 months if I want to be insured for Newport Bermuda
  12. Fully crewed and by Friday because she comes off the ship in Newport Rhode Island she will be out of water in mystic
  13. I am trying to get insurance for my 30 footer to do Newport Bermuda next year I need to have the policy written by Friday. I can continue with my current company in the uk but it is quite expensive and as the boat is going to live permanently in the us I thought I should get us insurance. I am working with gowrie and they have been great getting quotes of 400 per year but no one will insure a 30 footer for Bermuda race based on size! They will insure a 32 footer... We have provided my resume, a naval architects letter saying she complies with cat 2 and her STIX number. Any ideas gratefully received. Oh I tried adding her bowsprit to no avail!!