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  1. Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

    Fucking lawyers!
  2. Corsair Pulse 600

    Remember the piles of Corsair Pulse 600s everyone in the USA is buying and really excited about? Yeah, I know, figment of the imagination.
  3. Corsair Pulse 600

    800 lbs would tell me that weight was a consideration. A heavy boat does not necessarily mean a durable boat. I would like to see the actual weights vs the published weights. They are usually much heavier than advertised. Specifically the mast weight, rudder and rudder assembly weight, etc. I'll bet 2 things, there is a massive range in actual boat weights and 2, the range is all higher than 1000 lbs.
  4. Corsair Pulse 600

    Maybe true. But that does not change the fact that, for what it is, the Pulse 600 is WILDLY overpriced. Supply and Demand is an elastic and ever changing law. I simply see that as a market that is ripe for competition. Corsair is not impressive even though multihulls are very much so. Corsair will be beaten easily by any smart competitors. The world has finally realized (about 3 decades later than they should have) that multihulls are vastly superior sailing craft and that the small, pocket rocket 20-25 foot size range is a sweet spot. Corsair is raking in the cash right now, no doubt, because nobody else is smart enough to compete with them. But that time will soon be at an end.
  5. Corsair Pulse 600

    The 20 foot tri market is going to explode but Corsiar is going to lose out. They have offended the markets intelligence in my opinion. I fully expect other builders to improve the value (price) and quality. The Corsair Pulse 600 is going to be a failure. They should have started with a much lower price point. I guarantee that Corsair is making a bunch of money on these boats when they are fortunate enough to find a buyer. We know the dealers are taking 20% of the purchase price (pretty good margin for the dealer). Do the math. Even if the builder is taking only another 20%, you already have $.40 on the dollar going to Corsair. Cha Ching! But we all know they are taking MUCH MORE than 20%. Probably 40%. Cha cha Ching Ching! So that's $.60 on the dollar to the builder/dealer. Probably more.
  6. Corsair Pulse 600

    Just go to your therapist and tell them your suffering from denial.
  7. Corsair Pulse 600

    I made a spelling error. That's your comeback? Let's try it again, but this time with some visual aides... "Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it does not work you can always hit him with it." - Boris the Blade This clip would be a good tag line for the Corsair Pulse 600. Why not make it 1500 lbs? 2000 lbs? Just fill it with sand maybe? Yep, step right up and buy the 1000 lb. Corsair Pulse 600 with a cheap, heavy aluminum rig for 40k! It's dramatically overpriced in my opinion. In fact, the Corsair Pulse 600 is, in many ways, no more sophisticated than a Hobie 18. The only real difference is that Corsair Pulse 600 weighs half a ton and costs you 40 large! Say it, slowly...one thousand pounds! Incredible. Good luck pulling that up on the beach kids. Back to the price. $40,000 for a boat that is worth around 20k. Lots of fat profit here for your dealer (20%) and to Corsair (building this boat for 10-15k total cost most likely). And of course the buyer pays the shipping fee from Vietnam or wherever the hell this thing is slapped together. Fourty thousand dollars! Reminds me of the judge and his special "billy baru" putter from Caddy shack! Again, a visual aid for those stuck on spelling errors: Bottom line: There is little more tech on the Corsair Pulse 600 than a Hobie 18. I believed that this boat had some real potential but, now that we see its specs, and price, it is clear that the boat is way too heavy, too expensive and too cheap. On top of that, it's supporter here is a whiney little spelling nazi. Who can stand those people? Not me. I hope another builder (a US builder) will improve on the small day sailing/racing trimaran concept. This kind of boat has real potential. Corsair is trying to cash in on it unfortunately. These boats should be 25-30k tops. If they had much higher quality carbon rig, hardware, etc they "might" be worth 40k, but the Pulse 600 does not have any of that bling...so they are NOT worth 40k. Not even close.
  8. 2016 A-Class North Americans in September

    Yep, Struble.
  9. Corsair Pulse 600

    The Corsair Pulse 600 is too expensive for what it is (fairly cheap rig, sails, build quality, finishing touches, etc) and is WAY to heavy at 1000 lbs, unlaidened. No concern to weight seems to be given. Needs a carbon rig. It should cost no more than 30k as it is currently delevered, complete, IMO.. But with their dealer model, when you buy the boat you're paying the dealer 20% money on your purchase price and the factory is making 100% on a 10-15k build cost. They charge the buyer shipping. But I hope it's successful. J70s and legacy one designs have more bored to death with sailing. J70s are 70k in comparison complete. Also utterly ridiculous.
  10. Blokart Worlds 2016

    Congrats Dawg!
  11. What happened with comanche?

  12. The VX Evo

    Looks nice but we have seen this all before, what, 20 times? I still like the weta trimaran better than this. Yes, Americans still don't understand the value of multihulls. The Weta has a simple Asail which sits hoisted on a fuller, ready to go. You simply pull out the sheet to set or pull on the furling line to douse. This EVO will be all about crew weight, physical conditioning and circus tricks of launching and dousing the Asail in strong winds. Also, the EVO is going to cost at least 15-20k ready to race. Just watch... It looks large enough to be a double handed boat to me. I'll give it a try someday but would have rather seen a multihull. Maybe a smart builder out there is working on a next gen weta type design that is comfortable to hike on. At least the EVO looks comfortable to hike. The Weta literally has 3" square bar with sharp corners. Not kidding.
  13. Nice effort to spin. I'm momentarily amused. Spin vs "reality." Reality - The J70 personifies the sailing ability and "comfort level" of most US sailors. That ability is very low, and they are unwilling or afraid to learn. Physically they are not in shape and are afraid of competing physically. Deep down, they have always been afraid of true sportboats. Afraid of the high performance potential, physical requirements (might have to hit the gym a bit) or the occasional wipeout. To compesate for their insecurities, they need a far heavier boat that is still, laughably, refered to as a sport boat. It makes them feel safe...secure...all warm inside. This discussion reminds me of one of my favorite movie lines... "Heavy is good. Heavy is a sign of reliability. If it does not work you can always hit him with it..." - Boris the Blade I appreciate your honesty. I really do. But I just don't buy your spin. Your slant on the J70 is bias. I have no dog in the fight. The J70 is a commercial success for J boats because it goes the average US sailor what he needs, somethings in his comfort zone. But I insist that it is an utter disaster for the sport of sailing in the long run. The J70 is the equivalent of an optimist dinghy for adults with an Asail (launched out of the cockpit hatch of course) for psuedo "sportiness." Everyone knows the J70 is so heavy with its 4 crew that it would be far faster with a symetrical spinnaker. It's a J22 with a new pair of 8 inch platform heels. Zero functional value. Sure, it's made some decent cash for Jboats. The groupies are easily convinced to buy their bridges. Good for J boats. A great example of Capitalism at its finest. Taking advantage of market trends and providing a solution. You know, like junk food. Spineless, but very profitable and effective. We just have a nation of fat asses. Yeah! Now back to something more interesting, like a book.
  14. The idiocy of the "J70 mindset" is personified perfectly in the quote below. Yes, other sportboats "try to kill you!" Please name 5 similar sportboats that "try and kill us," please... 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? Why should children ever move beyond the majestic sailing wooden bathtub, the optimist? Those damn full battens will shoot your eye out kid. "That's just too damn fast!" "Get out of that crazy thing!" This is why sailing bores me. The J70 has exposed the problem with US sailing. Boring, uninspired boats are "all the rage." Modern boats are feared. Other ancient, uninspired ODs are kept alive well past any normal lifespan thru draconian, un-natural efforts. It's become pathetic. We have huge J70 fleets of people who think about modern sailboats like nitwit below. But we don't have any multihull fleets and modern high performance boats make most American sailors wet their pants, shaking in fear. Thankfully there are plenty of other sports the explore in this life! Very few aspects of sailing remain interesting.