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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. Fucking lawyers!
  2. Remember the piles of Corsair Pulse 600s everyone in the USA is buying and really excited about? Yeah, I know, figment of the imagination.
  3. 800 lbs would tell me that weight was a consideration. A heavy boat does not necessarily mean a durable boat. I would like to see the actual weights vs the published weights. They are usually much heavier than advertised. Specifically the mast weight, rudder and rudder assembly weight, etc. I'll bet 2 things, there is a massive range in actual boat weights and 2, the range is all higher than 1000 lbs.
  4. Maybe true. But that does not change the fact that, for what it is, the Pulse 600 is WILDLY overpriced. Supply and Demand is an elastic and ever changing law. I simply see that as a market that is ripe for competition. Corsair is not impressive even though multihulls are very much so. Corsair will be beaten easily by any smart competitors. The world has finally realized (about 3 decades later than they should have) that multihulls are vastly superior sailing craft and that the small, pocket rocket 20-25 foot size range is a sweet spot. Corsair is raking in the cash right now, no doubt, because nobody else is smart enough to compete with them. But that time will soon be at an end.
  5. The 20 foot tri market is going to explode but Corsiar is going to lose out. They have offended the markets intelligence in my opinion. I fully expect other builders to improve the value (price) and quality. The Corsair Pulse 600 is going to be a failure. They should have started with a much lower price point. I guarantee that Corsair is making a bunch of money on these boats when they are fortunate enough to find a buyer. We know the dealers are taking 20% of the purchase price (pretty good margin for the dealer). Do the math. Even if the builder is taking only another 20%, you already have $.40 on the dollar going to Corsair. Cha Ching! But we all know they are taking MUCH MORE than 20%. Probably 40%. Cha cha Ching Ching! So that's $.60 on the dollar to the builder/dealer. Probably more.
  6. Just go to your therapist and tell them your suffering from denial.
  7. I made a spelling error. That's your comeback? Let's try it again, but this time with some visual aides... "Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it does not work you can always hit him with it." - Boris the Blade This clip would be a good tag line for the Corsair Pulse 600. Why not make it 1500 lbs? 2000 lbs? Just fill it with sand maybe? Yep, step right up and buy the 1000 lb. Corsair Pulse 600 with a cheap, heavy aluminum rig for 40k! It's dramatically overpriced in my opinion. In fact, the Corsair Pulse 600 is, in many ways, no more sophisticated than a Hobie 18. The only real difference is that Corsair Pulse 600 weighs half a ton and costs you 40 large! Say it, slowly...one thousand pounds! Incredible. Good luck pulling that up on the beach kids. Back to the price. $40,000 for a boat that is worth around 20k. Lots of fat profit here for your dealer (20%) and to Corsair (building this boat for 10-15k total cost most likely). And of course the buyer pays the shipping fee from Vietnam or wherever the hell this thing is slapped together. Fourty thousand dollars! Reminds me of the judge and his special "billy baru" putter from Caddy shack! Again, a visual aid for those stuck on spelling errors: Bottom line: There is little more tech on the Corsair Pulse 600 than a Hobie 18. I believed that this boat had some real potential but, now that we see its specs, and price, it is clear that the boat is way too heavy, too expensive and too cheap. On top of that, it's supporter here is a whiney little spelling nazi. Who can stand those people? Not me. I hope another builder (a US builder) will improve on the small day sailing/racing trimaran concept. This kind of boat has real potential. Corsair is trying to cash in on it unfortunately. These boats should be 25-30k tops. If they had much higher quality carbon rig, hardware, etc they "might" be worth 40k, but the Pulse 600 does not have any of that bling...so they are NOT worth 40k. Not even close.
  8. Yep, Struble.
  9. The Corsair Pulse 600 is too expensive for what it is (fairly cheap rig, sails, build quality, finishing touches, etc) and is WAY to heavy at 1000 lbs, unlaidened. No concern to weight seems to be given. Needs a carbon rig. It should cost no more than 30k as it is currently delevered, complete, IMO.. But with their dealer model, when you buy the boat you're paying the dealer 20% money on your purchase price and the factory is making 100% on a 10-15k build cost. They charge the buyer shipping. But I hope it's successful. J70s and legacy one designs have more bored to death with sailing. J70s are 70k in comparison complete. Also utterly ridiculous.
  10. Congrats Dawg!
  11. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3544044/Kristy-Hinze-caught-dispute-Jim-Clark-Comanche-skipper-Ken-Read.html
  12. Looks nice but we have seen this all before, what, 20 times? I still like the weta trimaran better than this. Yes, Americans still don't understand the value of multihulls. The Weta has a simple Asail which sits hoisted on a fuller, ready to go. You simply pull out the sheet to set or pull on the furling line to douse. This EVO will be all about crew weight, physical conditioning and circus tricks of launching and dousing the Asail in strong winds. Also, the EVO is going to cost at least 15-20k ready to race. Just watch... It looks large enough to be a double handed boat to me. I'll give it a try someday but would have rather seen a multihull. Maybe a smart builder out there is working on a next gen weta type design that is comfortable to hike on. At least the EVO looks comfortable to hike. The Weta literally has 3" square bar with sharp corners. Not kidding.
  13. Nice effort to spin. I'm momentarily amused. Spin vs "reality." Reality - The J70 personifies the sailing ability and "comfort level" of most US sailors. That ability is very low, and they are unwilling or afraid to learn. Physically they are not in shape and are afraid of competing physically. Deep down, they have always been afraid of true sportboats. Afraid of the high performance potential, physical requirements (might have to hit the gym a bit) or the occasional wipeout. To compesate for their insecurities, they need a far heavier boat that is still, laughably, refered to as a sport boat. It makes them feel safe...secure...all warm inside. This discussion reminds me of one of my favorite movie lines... "Heavy is good. Heavy is a sign of reliability. If it does not work you can always hit him with it..." - Boris the Blade I appreciate your honesty. I really do. But I just don't buy your spin. Your slant on the J70 is bias. I have no dog in the fight. The J70 is a commercial success for J boats because it goes the average US sailor what he needs, somethings in his comfort zone. But I insist that it is an utter disaster for the sport of sailing in the long run. The J70 is the equivalent of an optimist dinghy for adults with an Asail (launched out of the cockpit hatch of course) for psuedo "sportiness." Everyone knows the J70 is so heavy with its 4 crew that it would be far faster with a symetrical spinnaker. It's a J22 with a new pair of 8 inch platform heels. Zero functional value. Sure, it's made some decent cash for Jboats. The groupies are easily convinced to buy their bridges. Good for J boats. A great example of Capitalism at its finest. Taking advantage of market trends and providing a solution. You know, like junk food. Spineless, but very profitable and effective. We just have a nation of fat asses. Yeah! Now back to something more interesting, like a book.
  14. The idiocy of the "J70 mindset" is personified perfectly in the quote below. Yes, other sportboats "try to kill you!" Please name 5 similar sportboats that "try and kill us," please... 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? Why should children ever move beyond the majestic sailing wooden bathtub, the optimist? Those damn full battens will shoot your eye out kid. "That's just too damn fast!" "Get out of that crazy thing!" This is why sailing bores me. The J70 has exposed the problem with US sailing. Boring, uninspired boats are "all the rage." Modern boats are feared. Other ancient, uninspired ODs are kept alive well past any normal lifespan thru draconian, un-natural efforts. It's become pathetic. We have huge J70 fleets of people who think about modern sailboats like nitwit below. But we don't have any multihull fleets and modern high performance boats make most American sailors wet their pants, shaking in fear. Thankfully there are plenty of other sports the explore in this life! Very few aspects of sailing remain interesting.
  15. What the fuck can 10 people do on a 40 or even 50 foot boat? Yawn often?