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  1. Once I have a look at your boat's rowing set up (some weekend this fall?) and ideally also that of Team Kelp's Santana 20, our project will begin (winter). And then rowing and push ups/sit ups training! :-). Am actually (was before) considering a local half marathon next fall, which might help with pain management... Maybe grind off some of the heavy 1960s glass lay up, to shave off some weight :-). :-) Not sure if you're joking about removing ballast. It's mainly the lead keel bulb, of course, but I actually wonder if some ballast could be removed, considering a Sanatana 20 is basically the same size boat/same sail area as a Cal 20.....900 lbs of ballast vs. 550. And 1900 lbs total vs. 1350.
  2. Ha! A bunch of drunk R2AK sailors in a bar in Ketchikan:. I'll bet there was a lot of talk! :-) :-) (I had the pleasure of randomly meeting Steve on the gov't dock in Comox this summer - saw his tri with R2AK sticker, we started chatting, and then I put 2+2 together, realizing he was the guy whose Cape Horn sailing accounts I randomly came across on the web a few years ago: small world! Anyway, it was after talking to him that I thought to myself, "wait a sec, you're right, Steve, I should just get some new sails for this old Cal 20 and do the damn R2AK..."). And then my 13 year old kid, an enthusiastic Laser, etc. sailor, got excited about the idea, so it's now taking on a new shape and a life of its own...stay tuned). I'm liking the sprit pole idea...
  3. "That's CAPTAIN Ladyboy to you, scallywag!"
  4. Hmm, a OD mod'd Cal 20 fleet is actually a cool idea. I plan to haul the boat this winter and drop keel/change keel bolts (wish me luck...)...was tossing around the idea of building a new (better/faster) rudder, but I love the idea of a sprit pole mod (better). (Trying to help my kid learn as much about boat engineering/mods over the winter, and such projects would be good for that.) Hobie Mirage drive...I'll have to look into that. BTW, when you say, "there's been some talk", by whom/where? If somewhere online, I'd be curious to read, to giver some ideas, etc.
  5. Yup. This summer I randomly/accidentally ran into two people, in two different anchorages (what are the chances?) who did R2AK in 2016 (I learned soon after talking with each of them) And after that, I feel like I've had a burning fever :-). I suddenly spring awake, terrified not by killer aquatic grizzlies and evil whales, but of the fear of the need to participate! :-) (I've sailed as far north as Glacier Bay and have a good idea of how heinous the coast can be...and we had a motor and were not on a Cal 20!) In fact, I've had my eye on a small, fast boat for Pacific Cup........or refurbing our little old Cal 20 for R2AK. *Totally* different plans. But I know which one sounds way more fun...
  6. Good fun! Just need someone (who is planning to go?) to start a 2018 thread. (I'll start the 2019 one; timing just doesn't work for 2018...but maybe leg one only, just for fun?)
  7. Advanced inspiration a few evenings ago, strolling around with my teenaged kid. Her: "Gee, Dad, what in the heck is that?" Me: "Well, let me tell you an ancient story about humpback whales..." :-) (I think we'll start with something easier...)
  8. Most - but the guy in this thread is a bonafide cocksucker.
  9. I have actually done ocean crossings. You are not the unshakeable font of wisdom and knowledge you believe yourself to be - once you listen to yourself deeply, you'll understand that. And you most certainly don't piss me off - you just come across as an intolerable ass. You must be joking that you're a teacher. I can only imagine you with students, "pissing off lots of people proving they are wrong. It's what I do," stridently shouting at them over and over, as here. Best of luck to you, mate. You'll need it.
  10. LB comes in spouting off like an ass, insulting Pamoramix for being French, calling names - don't think I'd want to take sailing lessons from someone like that, based on the attitude. In any case, I see my kid's development as a sailor, from Optis and Lasers, to now getting her feet wet in a small (20') keelboat (where my wife and I are teaching her good seamanship (check for lines in the water before starting the engine, etc and related skills like nav, etc).. Eventually, she'll crew on our 33' boat on a long coastal trip and then an ocean crossing. Where things stand now, it's very clear that her *sailing* skills are really good, much better than the average adult cruising sailor. If she'd instead learned to sail only on our small (20') keelboat, there is no way in hell she'd be as skilled or knowledgeable as she is now. Yesterday, she was watching a video of Moths and Nacra 17s and giving me some pretty sophisticated commentary/play-by-play. The discussion probably needs to distinguish between kids and adults. Kids who learn to sail dinghies and then move up to larger cruising boats for sure have better sailing skills and theoretical knowledge, by and large. That being said, many adults won't take to learning sailing by starting with a dinghy. They're lazy, busy, impatient, disinterested, want instant gratification, are scared, etc. Those that do start that way, however, and stick with it a while, probably become better *sailors*. The rest --nav, provisioning, anchoring, docking, heavy weather skills, etc etc etc. -- is simply experience. I think there's a lot to be said for patient learning of the basics on dinghies for a while...but few adults have the time or inclination to do so. You can certainly learn mountaineering and even scale big peaks without first learning bouldering (unroped, low-level climbing) or basic single pitch (one rope length) rock climbing skills first - but doing so certainly enhances and improves the mountaineering experience...
  11. Thanks a lot, Paul (? I seem to recall your name --perhaps incorrectly!-- from posts in an earlier R2AK thread?). And thanks for the SealsSpars link - I've used him/his site as a Cal20 resource and parts source, but I'd forgotten that he detailed there a few weak points in the standing rigging. I completely redesigned/replaced the running rigging (per "Blackfeathers", a Cal 20 that did the SHTP to Hawaii a few years ago), and I did some minor standing rigging upgrades/beef ups as well, but I'll have to have a closer look this winter when the mast is down...and keel bolts comes out, with an eye toward R2AK. Speaking of which - I'd love to see your oar set up some day. I notice that you're up in Squamish. I'm just down the way on Bowen (and am sometimes in Squamish to climb).
  12. Thanks, everyone, for the fantastic info/feedback/links...really appreciate it! The ultimate goal of all this (boat mods, including replacing some pesky old keel bolts...) is, eventually, Race to Alaska, using the event itself and boat mods as a multi-faceted learning tool for my kid (and partly me)...she was already excited last night when I started explaining to her about NACA foil profiles and the math behind it, so that's a good start! (A few months ago we watched a vid on YouTube, The Physics of Sailing, about air foils, which got the gears in her brain turning...) Anyway, thanks a lot for all the replies and info...what a great resource to be able to access!
  13. So, I'm considering building a simple rudder for a small boat and have a few questions, never having done this --and also not being familiar with NACA (beyond the basics, that I've just read on Wikipedia about it). 1) Effect on performance: I mostly want to build a rudder (to a NACA spec) as an"fun" project, as a learning experience since I know nothing about this, but I also wonder, as a layperson/non-naval architect, how to get a basic understanding of how a modern, (and lightweight: my current rudder is heavy!) foil can change boat performance. Does a different rudder foil for an "old school"keel boat (Cal 20) really make much difference in "performance"? (2) Aspect ratio: Based on what I've read (an old forum post from somewhere else), for the speed of the boat, NACA 0009 is the profile I probably need --but this may depend on "aspect ratio, I don't have the dimensions," someone wrote in the forum I read this. I've read on Wiki that aspect ratio means "the ratio of the span to the mean chord of an airfoil". So, would this be based on the actual/current cross-sectional dimensions (front to back) of the existing rudder? Can anyone clarify for me what exactly (concretely?) 'aspect ratio' means? How do I find this out, to see if NACA 0009 is indeed the right one to use? (3) Re: NACA 0009, I get that the numbers refer to a specific relationship of certain dimensions of the foil (in this case, 00 means no camber [symmetrical foil], 9 means the foil has a 9% thickness to chord length ratio: it is 9% as thick as it is long.). Assuming I want to make the rudder out of foam core (e.g., Divinycell), (and then glass it), how does someone actually shape the foam to a NACA 0009 profile? Can it be milled/carved by a specialized shop, which I would then glass (after reinforcing relevant areas of the rudder)? Thanks for any advice/tips. This is all totally brand new stuff to me!! Alternatively, is there a more specialied forum/site somewhere I should go for more detailed info?
  14. I agree that "seamanship" is very different from "learning to sail" - and many very successfully start from no experience, buy cruising boats and then circumnavigate (or whatever big trips) - but taking the time to learn dinghy sailing--from a good instructor-- is invaluable. And it takes guts and good decision making because dinghies ade generally way less forgiving. My teenage daughter is totally into Lasers, Tasers, etc and can sail circles around me: she has lots of solid, fundamental sailing "theory" as a result of good classes. I've been teaching her the "seamanship" and navigation part. She insists, usually, on sailing out of anchorages, even tricky ones (the far back of False Bay on Lasqueti Island in Georgia Strait in British Columbia, Canada comes to mind right now, from an experience this summer) --because she doesn't have the physical strength to pull start our outboard and actually KNOWS how to sail. That's invaluable experience and learning. Yeah, big boat cruising, at some point, doesn't have a lot to do with dinghy sailing --but if you take the time to learn solid funfamentals --you'll have a solid foundation, and perhaps even start "downsizing"! (We sail a 10m offshore cruising boat, and some smaller boats, including Lasers, Tasers, Cal 20s, Coronado 15s...and guess which are most fun to sail and are planning to sail again to Alaska? Not the big boat! (But not the Laser either, although it hasn't been done...). Be humble and patient, start small, make mistakes, get good, move up.
  15. Dude, look no further than Team West Coast Wild Ones -- old O'Day 27: https://r2ak.com/2017-teams-full-race/team-west-coast-wild-ones/ (And they placed quite respectably as well. https://r2ak.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2017-R2AK-Vic-to-KTN-7.04.17.pdf)