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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Any idea how long it took them to finish COSTA VIDA, Brent? You really should take some design and construction lessons from them.
  2. Here is an SOG "max speed" on my Foretrex 401 from a 150-mile delivery of a Pearson 365 ketch where we hit some stinky weather and big waves (skipper in the background). Pearsons don't usually sail 12 knots. So it's not the boat's "max speed". It was just along for the ride like we were. And as for the consistent 8-9 knots with a BS Yacht, ANY BS Yacht...no. Brent, you might want to tell Opus Paul he's pushing credulity.
  3. Why, on a lee shore or reef. Obviously.
  4. In other words, you were scared of the truth then and you're scared of it now. I understand.
  5. Clarifications in red above...
  6. A book that was published 45 years ago is where you're pulling recommendations? Here is Da Vinci's (who is a lot smarter than you or Plesis) recommendations for helicopters... The ones that actually fly don't come anywhere near his recommendations either. Your ideas are decades out of touch with reality.
  7. What's funny is that there are chuckleheads out there that BRAG about that. "I put in a new thru-hull today and found out my hull if 4" thick at the waterline! Definitely a bluewater boat!"
  8. You've pretty much nailed it. Virtually nothing he claims is true. And, as I've always said - that's a pity. He actually has one or two good ideas (e.g. - the windvane, watermaker, cheap blocks, furler, etc.). In other words, he's a fairly innovative junker. And I actually respect that. But that's it. Everything else is just utter BS. I mean, complete - through and through - unequivocal BS. You'll never see anything else from him. It just doesn't exist.
  9. Bingo. BS Yachts are dangerously weak. MOM is absolute proof of that. BS always talks about his boats surviving crazy abuse - but these pictures say all that needs to be said. BS very obviously lies. Pictures don't.
  10. Evidence and answers are all we've been asking for from you for years now. You've provided virtually none of either. Just a few photos of your poorly sailing boat and a cubic ton of BS. So - you're absolutely wrong. Again.
  11. Nothing proves your point(s) - except the voices in your head.
  12. And yet, Bob Perry STILL has a long list of clients paying him to design great boats - BECAUSE of decades of designing great boats. You've got nothing but a government check, your sister's couch, and a ratty, rusted relic. I can completely understand why you're bitter and envious.
  13. Similar?
  14. As I showed above, Jeff said these exact words at ~18:20 (among many others): "We...moved what was supposed to be Skipper Bob on to activecaptain.com." Those are not my words, BJ. Those are Jeff's. So I'm not "suggesting" anything. He said it. You can parse meaning all day long if you'd like, but I'll take him at his word. He put Skipper Bob online, then moved it to activecaptain.com. Beyond that, your assumption presumes there wasn't some kind of agreement/collaboration between Jeff and Skipper Bob. In that podcast as I clearly showed, Jeff said the two of them talked and he also just said they knew each other - and in the podcast Jeff said he was about to show it and give it to Skipper Bob and Jeff would run it. So I would certainly assume there was collaboration. That's a good thing. So, to be clear yet again, the above is your conjecture and implication - not mine. Don't try to put that on me. As I said, I have no idea what agreements there might have been. I can only go on what Jeff said in that podcast.
  15. Slow down there bucky. What makes you say that there was any illegality to any of it? To be crystal clear, I certainly didn't say or imply that. I have no idea what agreements there might have been between any of the parties. I just know what Jeff said in that podcast. AC was Skipper Bob before it was AC. That's it. It surprised me when I heard it because I wondered how AC got started. And his explanation made sense. And maybe it was "high concept" - but it certainly didn't sound that way. After all, the AC News Release of 1/23/07 which was the initial launch (3 days before the Panbo post) said this: Added from where? Again, I don't know what the big issue would be with Jeff using Skipper Bob data to build the app when he was going to call the app Skipper Bob as he said - with "no intention to make AC". Where else are you going to get all that data? Or do you think AC was just a blank map in the beginning (which it obviously wasn't)? Have you looked at a Skipper Bob book? It's virtually nothing BUT lots of data (just as Jeff said) with a few pics. Just lists of anchorages, marinas, bridges, etc as you move along each mile of the ICW, bays, rivers, etc. If you're going to "put Skipper Bob online" to "give to Skipper Bob" - what exactly are you putting online? Look, though I may not be a huge fan of the dude, I'm actually very impressed at the scope of what he built back then. 8K marina entries with all those fields? Holy crap. As for the location marker above, yes I fully understand the points I showed were a few hundred feet apart. That's why I worded it the way I did. But in practical terms, try randomly clicking an exact spot in the AC interface with your mouse to place a marker. My click in that image at the zoom factor I was at is not even precisely on the marker. Like I said, maybe coincidence? I think if you look around at other older anchorage markers in very out of the way places, you'll wonder about it. But again, what's the big problem if the marker/location did come from Skipper Bob?