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    US Portsmouth Yardstick Change?

    Tcatman, No one has been updating the Portsmouth Yardstick list in about two decades except when the boat is one that USS wants to be a part of the Olympics or USS Junior sailing, or has become boat in the Olympics. The result of this is that most racing dinghy's built in the last 20 years will find that when they attempt to enter a handicap fleet at a travel club, they will almost always be rejected. I had it happen to me so out of curiosity and from former experience of having this experience when entering a Shaw6.50 into events outside of my home town, I entered more events. The result was that nearly every event rejected something not on the existing USS Portsmouth list. This is anecdotal but it's good anecdotal evidence that clubs will not go out of their way to make a dinghy handicap system work, it must be a centralized effort. There are no handicapping groups for Portsmouth anymore and if USS doesn't do it, this system will be worse at scoring boats and not solve existing problems. Not sure which poster said that no one uses the wind ranges, that's not true. I have traveled to clubs that use it and my own club uses it. In the short 3 years that I've had to deal with Portsmouth I have only seen 1 club not use the wind ranges.
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    US Portsmouth Yardstick Change?

    What needs to be done is a proposal to make a lot of money via a new cloud based rating and scoring system needs to be proposed using some bits of open source scoring code as the alpha demo that pulls down the necessary VC money to make it work. Then when it implodes and the VC cannot sell it because everyone is too stuck to their p.o.s. spreadsheets, pull the source back since it is based upon an open source license. Take from the rich, give to the, ahem, upper middle class to lower upper class.
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    US Portsmouth Yardstick Change?

    I'm going to ignore the A-Cat illustration because it falls into the extremes also known as the straw man fallacy which I know you do not typically use but this does fall into that category and the extremes of any input value range often fail to work under the system and require intervention or exceptions. Other boats that fall into this category: Flying Moth, 49er, 49erFX, RS600, RS700, Musto Skiff, and if I were to put a trap on something like a VX/Evo or Seascape14, or take any boat that can foil such as an RS Aero or Melges14 with a foiling kit, off the numbers go into the corner and they break the system. Multiple wind ranges can handle that. If the single number system worked well why is it well documented as "the worst rating system there is, except for all of the others"? I sincerely believe people prefer PHRF for one single reason. It is easy. Creating a spreadsheet or program for PHRF requires the most rudimentary of spreadsheet or programming skills to handle both ToD and ToT. Basing a rating upon its VPP or analytical observation over time (inputted results) is mathematically complex and beyond the reach of many sailors and/or it is onerous over time and few sailors are able/willing to stay on task long enough to see it to fruition. Why will this system be little better than PHRF? Clubs will fail to send in results, because: They do not understand the system. They do not care about the system. They are too busy to assist the system. They view the system with contempt or mistrust or refuse to change. USS will not find and assign the necessary resources to keep the system up to date. Individual clubs will eventually abandon the D-PN for the new single rating but not trust it and assign their own "local" number. Individual clubs will not trust ratings of boats that are not local and the tradition of denying entry to newer designed boats will continue. Individual clubs will decide this new Portsmouth is worse than the old Portsmouth and less accurate and thus not worth the time and will just switch to PHRF because... is easy. If USSailing were to put together an input portal that was not too complicated and had a standard format for mass importation of races, and provided a web interface system for scoring and ported that to mobile devices, we'd have something. But that is what will be necessary for this new system to gain traction and not just die, but take D-PN out with it.
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    US Portsmouth Yardstick Change?

    Why different wind ratings? Someone that did the math for 3 ratings became tired of the math before the person that made the 4 ratings system. That's my best guess. I do not think that ratings take into account skill. If a class becomes popular and more sailors develop better technique for that boat and share information, the rating will slowly reflect that. A one off that is only purchased by 3 people that have no idea what they are doing will get a rating based upon how different it is from similar designs and the rating will stagnate. The last one I think will come along eventually but sailing is always run by retired sailors and what worked for them is what they will use. Change often only comes as the old guard dies off so all progress in sailboat racing scoring systems will probably lag behind technology by 30-50 years. There are only a few mobile device scoring apps and they seem to be either poorly made PHRF or moderately well programed PY programs while mobile devices are well into their second decade of widespread use. This is all wild speculation.
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    Melges 15

    Anyone know more than what it on the Melges site? I didn't see a weight for the boat so my thoughts on it are on hold. Really hate that it is a baler boat and am confused on the use of aluminum for the rig as a tapered aluminum rig is not exactly inexpensive compared to carbon. Is this Melges eyeing up the Seascape/Beneteau 14?
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    US Portsmouth Yardstick Change?

    Our local club has sent in data and heard nothing back. We signed our our club with the USS Portsmouth announcement and received a form reply. Hoping we hear something eventually. I strongly disagree with a single rating number, the wind ratings of D-PN help level boats in different conditions. If USS uses a single number it will become PHRF, a thought that will drive me out of dingy racing so long as I live in a non OD sailing area. I gave up PHRF keelboat racing shortly after moving to my current location, grew tired of listening to the complaints at the bar and knowing that boats were not always properly prepared and very few boats ever practiced. If you are going to go out without boat/people preparation, pop open a beer and enjoy the ride and ignore your finishes and remember to stay at the dock when it blows so you don't kill anyone. Hmmm, if they use a single number the concept of a soft rating "cheater" boat will become reality. Maybe just run some very complex spreadsheets until a pickle dish boat becomes apparent and drink beer while doing it. Hey Tcatman, Love every bit of your post, it's only cynical if it's wrong.
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    Mark Drones

    Ah, searching for drone didn't come up with a thread. Robot marks, I guess we'll hear/see more terms in the near future.
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    Mark Drones

    Does anyone have experience with drone marks? I found the two below and wanted to see if anyone knows of more companies in this business?
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    Absolutely, positively Laser

    Totally agree. You will never look back. Fun is as fun does.
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    US Sailing OD Survey

    Worth another shot. And the status needs to be understood by clubs. Some are disallowing any boat that does not have a USS D-PN.
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    US Sailing OD Survey

    What a world it would be if US Sailing took up the cause of pushing for more inclusion. I took some time, the last time you and I discussed this, to see how many boats were included from classes in the D-PN list that seem far fetched to me and found that there are some that had very few built boats. I think there a number of not really OD boats on the list because USS was much more accepting of new data to include boats, in decades past. For example, what is an X-14? How many B-14's ever made it to the US? And how about all of those Catalina 13, 14.2, and 16.5 OD's? The MX Ray, there's a booming past OD, yes? Was the Wizz 14 ever popular? I think a hint is included in the rating list where there is a lack of ratings in different wind ranges for many boats. How does that happen in an active OD sending in data? I think I'm being fair here, I'm using old OD texts to research this, see one of the books inner covers that I'm checking in on, "The Sailboat Classes of North America". And back to USS favored boats, the Musto Skiff is on this list how? Accepting data for new boats doesn't seem to be something that USS does anymore. Why doesn't a boat like the Flying Moth, RS Aero, or VX/One have a rating at this point if USS were still trying to rate OD classes? Seriously, RYA has a rating and is actively changing it for the RS Aero yet the US with multiple fleets and more boats every week has nothing? There are other, newer OD's classes but find evidence that USS is bothering? If you think I'm wrong, tell me who I'm supposed to be sending data to when I have boats without USS D-PN ratings that sail in recorded races against boats with USS D-PN's? I will be excited and happy to be proven incorrect. And I'm a member, been one for a long time, I'm not throwing stones. I want help, but USS is silent. High-jack their survey for a good cause.
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    US Sailing OD Survey

    I high-jacked the survey to reply about Portsmouth, knowing I'll be ignored. I'm encouraging you to do the same. OD dinghy sailing starts many way: A Few Juniors: Opti --> C420 --> More OD's Many Juniors: Opti --> C420 --> ??? (likely quit for some other sport) Most Juniors: Some Old Boat In Porrsmouth --> Some Old Boat In Portsmouth They Own --> ??? OD or New Portsmouth A Rare Junior: Family OD --> Maybe Something Else But Often Another old OD Adults follow a similar pattern minus the out of date Opti/C420 paths. While where I live it is always the path of the first two bullet items above, I feel that most sailors, adult and junior, follow the path of the last two bullets. And US Sailing does nothing for that. I have seen no proof that US Sailing updates Portsmouth numbers unless they are new boats that have been selected for the Olympics. Very few dinghy's built after 1998 are in the US Sailing Portsmouth list, meaning that many places have no idea how to rate them and some regattas reject traveling Portsmouth boats. Last year I emailed several US Sailing reps about this and received no replies. I have sent in results using US Sailing forms for times for boats not on their list and received no reply. Not everyone wants to sail a dead, former OD.
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    Peeling Gelcoat Project - Laser

    Thank you Gouv! This is the post I needed for this winter.
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    Peeling Gelcoat Project - Laser

    No. Based on advice from those that know and posted a reply here, decision was to wet sand, compound, polish, and go sailing. This winter the old gelcoat will get sanded more thoroughly and new gelcoat spayed.
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    Does your dinghy have a name?

    Torched Flamingo Scurvy Flamingo Rhum Gone