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    The Swedish Experiment

    Here are UK hospitalization rates as of 2 days ago:
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    What if there is no vaccine?

    Lol. The idea that lockdown has *any* correlation, to number of cases, is, debatable at best, and laughable at worst. Here is a single US State, with the name removed. Total 'cases' Tell me the approximate week when they instituted lockdown? Since you think the correlation is so strong, you should be able to approximate within two weeks I would think.
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    The Swedish Experiment

    And the best one, that shows jack's clear correlation between 'Cases' and deaths...... Spain
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    The Swedish Experiment

    Here's the UK: I see a huge correlation between cases and deaths........ It's really clear........
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    The Swedish Experiment

    The data doesn't supports that. Here's France:
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    What if there is no vaccine?

    I love all the downvotes from @Left Shift - don't reply to any points at all... Here are two Doctors who disagree with all of you: "I'm sorry -- it’s time for public health officials to implement evidence-based pandemic mitigation solutions that are logistically feasible, sustainable and target the problem while allowing society to function. Give people viable solutions they can implement day to day to protect their loved ones during outbreaks. You can’t tell the world to stay home and 'socially distance' -- whatever that even means -- and then act shocked, pissed and punish society because your vague, untested voodoo didn’t work. Because the truth is there is no good solution to this -- only tradeoffs. Public health doesn’t want to be responsible for the adverse outcomes of the tradeoffs so they have developed a strategy that [claims] the pandemic [is] preventable and places blame on society for not complying. - Dr. Victoria Fox "Instead of being mature adults who understand that widespread shutdowns leave massive wreckage in their wake -- and I've chronicled these numerous times in this space; they're so devastating that I cannot believe any compassionate human being could support lockdowns -- we are instead to ignore the wreckage, make the whole thing into a simple morality play, and then lecture people for not complying when the virus doesn't simply go away. - Tom Woods, PhD **** I like how my view is 'bad' because I don't support the team you are all on. It's bizarre levels of tribalism on display. You guys here aren't 'winning' this argument, because you gang up on my unpopular opinion. You're rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic while it sinks.
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    What if there is no vaccine?

    Eye - your calm in the face of all of this is admirable. So, I'll give you that. That said, I think the overall medical profession has flushed away centuries of good will here. We're going to see more and more anti-vaxxers and people who don't listen to doctors, because doctors gave out the absolute worst and scariest advise publicly. As the data comes out, and people realize they were scared shitless by doctors on facebook, and forums and things - hopefully there is a reckoning. 1) Masks - again, I think the medical community really tripped all over itself. There are plenty of studies that disagree about the efficacy of masks. Instead of telling people 'wear them. Now, don't wear them. Now wear them, but only without a vent' Blah blah blah Why not explain to the public - hey, this is a respiratory illness, and wearing a mask is a basic precaution you can take. Don't mandate it, you guys all look like total hacks when you contradict yourselves all year long. Just say 'hey, daily exercise can help reduce the risk of heart disease' and then move on. Telling everyone what to do, just annoys everyone. 2) Social distancing - I think this will go down in history as one of the most insane words ever. We're social creatures. Most of the people in the world don't have cars and Amazon and delivery service to their homes. It's another first world solution to a global problem. The rest of the world laughs at this idea. I'm in Eastern Europe - NOW. Have been for 7 weeks now. No one gives a shit about this, because... they can't. They have to live. Airplanes, buses, hotels, restaurants, markets. It's just terrible advice because it's not practical. Sure, it's fun if you live in Seattle and have a laptop and computer. What about the people in Africa who work in a mine? People who take the bus to work? Poor people who live in slums? Homeless? Seriously, social distance? What a ridiculous security theater concept. It's classic bureaucratic thinking - with zero real world logic behind it. 3) Let's say that's true. Why didn't everyone say, after 2 weeks. "Ok gang, here is what we know: ________, _______, ______ Watch out for these things, and let's be careful and take care of each other.!" Nope, it was more fear, more insane rules. 2 weeks became 2 months, then 4 months. Who the hell will trust doctors after this mess? Serious question. It's just a circus. More guidelines, daily briefings. Fear, Fear Fear. Death. Fear The media loves it, they are getting rich. Social media loves, it, making bank. And no doctors stood up and said 'hey, listen, we can't stop death, so, let's be practical and move on' And now the world suffers. And everyone in Europe wants to pat themselves on the back, when they've ensured misery for everyone else. 4) Restricting traveling is obviously completely non-sensical. I don't think anyone advocates that at all anymore. It's 2020, not 1250AD My entire point here, is we wilted. People. Humanity. In the face of a threat, we wilted like a 2 year old kid on a High School basketball court. We cried and took our toys and went home. We weren't brave. We didn't toughen up, band together. We were sold fear and uncertainty by doctors and media. We spread it via social media. And we ended up doing so much more harm to ourselves than a strain of coronavirus could ever do.
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    What if there is no vaccine?

    Lol, well played. I disagree with your comments, and everyone here so far. None of this changes the reality of life on Earth. There are 7.8B people. All of them, will die. Including me and you and everyone on this forum. Why, for the love of god, are we focusing on something that, for 12-18 months, will kill ~1-2% of people who die anyway? Why is THIS virus, randomly, in 2020, the thing everyone decided to panic about? Why not focus on much larger things? 1M deaths in a world of 7.8Billion people is not even a rounding error. And, no one is willing to say that. Everyone gets all emotional and looses sight of reality. It's just... that logic is just utterly nonsensical. I would be saying the exact same thing if Covid had killed 10Million people this year. It's a small portion of the average number of people who die, anyway. You'd have to get to maybe 20M deaths a year to start to think, hmmm, this is a double digit % of all annual deaths. Let's investigate. But shutting down the world? Causing everyone to suffer? This is an insane political power, media driven, social media fueled, PANIC. Humans should be a LOT smarter than to panic over this. What happens when there is an actual thing to panic about in the future? Seriously, we lost our minds this year. What are we going to do when there is a real issue that demands some level of world cooperation? This hysteria would not have happened even 10 years ago. Without 24/7 media that makes money on this crap Without a social media where just absolutely inane content spreads like wildfire. Without a public that is lazy and demands safety over free thinking. This shit would not have happened. Humans should be ashamed of themselves. And I'm not scared to call bullshit when I see it clear as day.
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    The Swedish Experiment

    He's been so wrong so often - from Swine Flu to Covid-19 - how do people keep listening to this guy? There are a lot of opinions from more experienced clinicians that counter his claims. There are a lot of people who got things a lot more right than Fauci. Yet, here he is, still the perfect idol for the masses.
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    What if there is no vaccine?

    This is the shit I am talking about. You're just making things up. No wonder there is a panic unlike the world has ever seen. a) The US population is ~330 Million. Not 400 million. Source: https://www.census.gov/popclock/ You're off by 70 million people. b) .16% IFR doesn't predict what % of a countries population will die..... It predicts the % of people that get a virus, will die. You're confusing basic facts. c) No virus reaches 100% of a population... not even close. Influenza infects about 20% of the US each year: Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3278149/ "In the U.S. alone, nearly 20% of the population is affected [by influenza]. On average, 25 to 50 million documented influenza cases, 225,000 hospitalizations, and ultimately more than 20,000 deaths occur every year." ***** If Covid reached 20% of the US population, that would be 66M people infected. If the IFR is .16%, then, 105k of those people die of Covid. Since the CDC says we're at 6,XXX died ONLY of Covid, the IFR might be closer to .01% (Coincidentally, a study by Cornell doctor Dr. Laith J. Abu Raddad in Qatar expects Covid IFR to be exactly that: .01%) *** 2.8Million people/year die in the US - normally. Normal mortality. Of the 200k who have died so far with Covid present... do you think they were all going to live forever?? They would be immortal, if it weren't for Covid? Is that your argument?? Should we stop the entire world so the 80+ year olds get another 3-6 months of life in a nursing home? Forget everyone else in the world, screw 'em. The 90 year old with 5 pre-existing conditions who can't feed himself - THAT is the person we need to keep alive, at the expense of anyone else. *** Not only is your math, awful, but, your logic is selfish and - shows a total lack of any context / big picture. You're like the president of a Fortune 500 company who finds out 1% of his customers are unhappy, so he burns the entire company to the ground.
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    What if there is no vaccine?

    I assume from your posts your a medical doctor. I'm not trying to pick on you, but your profession I think, really let humans down here. In 2020, everyday doctors - their voices magnified by social media / the internet - have made this entire 'pandemic' episode massively worse. How? Everyone has heard 'smart' people they know, online saying things like: 'I'm a doctor and I saw some people die and the hospital was full' I experienced this with one of my best friends. She was a mess about it. And these medical people say it in a vacuum, without context. They mean inside their hospitals, clinics, ERs. They are emotional people who care about others (why would they be a doctor otherwise). And they are tired and frustrated. They want to save lives and they want the world to take things seriously - the things that they see every day. So, they post all these stories and photos - without broader context. That has created a level of hysteria that has never been seen in people before. It's like a fire fighter standing up in a theater shouting 'THERE IS A FIRE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT STARTED IT AND WE CAN'T PUT IT OUT - THIS PLACE IS GOING TO BURN TO THE GROUND, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES OR YOU WILL ALL DIE!!!" Today, that firefighter is called a hero - "he bravely sounded the alarm!!" And everyone ignores all the people that got trampled to death on the rush to the exits. That's what well intentioned doctors did. That's what social media did. That's what everyday medical folks did. They fueled the first coordinated worldwide panic, and hundreds of millions of people got trampled. And the media fucking LOVES this. Such good sound bites! Cellphone photos of harried doctors freaking out that their patients are sick. The media can say: 'The president is WRONG, see this facebook post from a local doctor!!' Everyone is an expert now - and people online, here, can just shout and say: 'yeah, you're an idiot dude!!! My wife is a doctor and said it's really bad out there!' 'I know a guy who died of coronavirus, omg, it's awful' *** What's the issue with all this? 1) It causes more harm than it prevents (that's been well documented at this point, how much more suffering exists because of over-reaction than would have occurred just letting the virus run its course - like Sweden did) 2) It means less people trust medical professionals (you see that in the growth of anti-vaxxers) 3) It shows a stunning lack of prospective about the lifecycle of humans from - everyone. to wit: Humans are awful at big numbers. Everyone forgets that 176,000 people die a DAY. It's a MASSIVE number of people who die a day. Every. Single. Day. It's part of their being 7.8B people in the world. 60,000,000 die a YEAR. 60Million! (That's 18% of the US population) - dies, worldwide, every year, normally and naturally. Something that is responsible for 1M of those deaths (Covid-19) - in people who were likely going to die this year anyway - it's not a good reason to shut the world down. That's just the contextual truth. It's 1.6% of all deaths in a normal year. 1.6% We panicked at a fire in a trash bin in the theater. And thankfully, more and more doctors who understand that, have been speaking out. I've linked to dozens of them. People who are smart, are realizing you can't just look at numbers in a myopic view - you have to consider the entire world picture. On the internet, if you don't have the 'right opinion' - people try to silence you - but, the truth always comes out. *** IF this was a face eating, zombie mutating virus where it exponentially turned the hosts into zombie that ate more people. Yes, we should absolutely stop the motor of the world for that. But, it's a coronavirus. We've had them before, and we will have them again. The difference is, this time, we had the Internet, social media, and a 24/7 news that makes money off of fear and panic. *** To your question: I think your entire premise is flawed, so, I think it's again, focusing on entirely the wrong question. You're looking at big numbers of deaths attributed, but, that is some sloppy math. The CDC last month talked about how only ~6,000 people died ONLY of Covid-19. So, if you take 6,000 vs. 20,000. Covid is WAY less deadly than Influenza. The only good IFR data could come from a situation like Iceland. Where, effectively everyone has been tested, and the virus has run through their island society. The IFR there is around .16%. About the same as the flu.
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    Florida Governor Issues Emergency Order

    Sigh, if you think 200,000 cases came out of a bike rally that happened in early August, I have a bridge to sell you. You *HAVE* to stop believing everything people post on facebook. This insane focus on 'being right' - and completely disregarding facts and data. It's going to tear the entire country apart. 1) " According to South Dakota health officials, 124 new cases in the state—including one fatal case—were directly linked to the rally. Overall, COVID-19 cases linked to the Sturgis rally were reported in 11 states as of September 2, to a tune of at least 260 new cases, according to The Washington Post. There very well may be more cases that have been linked to the early August event, but so far, that's only 260 confirmed cases—about 0.1 percent of the number the IZA paper offers. To get to the astronomical number of cases allegedly spread because of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, the researchers analyzed "anonymized cellphone data to track the smartphone pings from non-residents and movement of those before and after the event," notes Newsweek. "The study then linked those who attended and traveled back to their home states, and compared changes in coronavirus trends after the rally's conclusion." Essentially, the researchers assumed that new spikes in cases in areas where people went post-rally must have been caused by those rally attendees, despite there being no particular evidence that this was the case. " 2) Here's the actual data of US cases. Going down every week since mid July. Big spike there with Sturgis. I can see it, can you?
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    What if there is no vaccine?

    I'll say this with all due respect. If someone is arguing the IFR of Covid is 10x the flu.... they simply have no idea what they are talking about. Dr Fauci has even gotten confused on this, apparently, even experts mess up IFR/CFR Read this: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/04/covid-why-terminology-really-matters/ It's the most concise example of the panic/hysteria - from people getting their terms backwards.
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    What if there is no vaccine?

    Or you read a book, realize Coronavirus has the same or lower IFR as Influenza, and wonder 'wtf allowed the entire world to collectively shit its pants with a level of groupthink humanity simply hasn't seen before'