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  1. beachball

    J/111 Goes Sailing...

    <sigh> Yeah. Seriously. For PRODUCTION boats. J/Boats will likely sell these by the 100's. Hunter has sold that gin palace by the 100's. It's a business folks- Product, Price, Promotion. How many Summit 35's (more racer focus) or SC 37's (comparable design brief) have sold or will sell in the next 5 years? Bigger production numbers means better resale, which means lower total cost of ownership. You have to make what people want at a price they're willing to pay, and a strong brand helps. J/Boats, Benteau, Hunter, Catalina, they get it and build a lot of boats. Not for everyone for sure, but those 4 combined probably produce 70% to 80% of the 27-45 foot sailboats sold in North America every year. And that size range is the where the sales volume and profits are. If the only thing you care about is a stripped out balls to the wall handicap racer, no, the J/111 isn't a boat for you. If you're like most buyers in this size range, you foster some hope for some dual use, with racing as your primary focus, you should look at this boat. But WTF do I know. I own a Viper 640 and a 30 year old 4 knot shitbox. Everything you just wrote after the third period you typed in the above quote( the directly above one, not the top with the highlighted sentence) is 100% correct. And has absolutely NOTHING to do with how completely inaccurate the above highlighted sentence is. Exactly what I was thinking. doghouse and I were probably sighing in unison when we read this.
  2. beachball

    J/111 Goes Sailing...

    Farr had a serious naval design brand until it started putting out the Beneteaus. These boats were heavy, sticky and slow in spite of the snazzy Farr design brand. Have never looked at Farr the same way again. They sold out. Farr and Beneteau should not even be named in the same sentence. If you think even for one moment that J Boats has Farr envy, you are kdding yourself. The differnece with J Boats is that they design their own boats and have somebody else build them. The other guys do the opposite: they have somebody else design, and build in-house. Beneteaus? I thought Farr is designing Bavarias these days Oh, and potentially hot 40 foot OD racers - but those would not be of interest to (potential) J/Boat owners (and there is a different thread for this).
  3. beachball

    J/111 Goes Sailing...

    That, sir, is heresy!
  4. beachball

    J/111 Goes Sailing...

    Erm, just over half that amount would be about right (linky). Not really sure that's the boat to take for a serious offshore race is it? And sure, $300k might get it on the starting line, but we'll see. So the big question now (if it's such a great example of the boat people want - and cheap too)... How many sold? I love those boats as much as anyone, but it's extremely hard to get them to market. That's reality. The segment between production racer/cruisers (J/111, SC37, Sydney 37, X-35, X-treme 37, T-34, ...) and racing custom designs from Ker/Farr/Corby/Mills/Bakewell-White is very small. Many have tried; 1D35, Farr 11s, Heiner 38, Ker 11.5 (now reincarnated as Ker 40 after they closed down after building one boat), Max Fun 35, ... Not many good examples in the last 30 years besides Melges and Farr. And for a company like J/boats, in this kind of economy, trying to do a new J/125 or compete with the Melges 32 wasn't really an option. But I guess there are plenty of choice for those who need (and are willing to pay for) more performance. Fixed it for you. Otherwise mostly agree - as I had mentioned way earlier in this thread, J/Boats are great at serving the mainstream market. But with most of the people on this site not exactly being mainstream, you will this to be a somewhat tougher crowd...
  5. beachball

    J/111 Goes Sailing...

    Erm, just over half that amount would be about right (linky). Generally the choice will be between performance and comfort, i.e., racer vs. cruiser. Good, glad you like it. Appropriate forum is here
  6. beachball

    J/111 Goes Sailing...

    Which would be mostly well-built cruisers that said owners can take out for some safe racing on the weekends. And, giving credit where it is due, J//Boats are excellent at delivering exactly the above - and at a price point that lets them make very decent margins. More than can be said for many other boat builders...