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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. Scanas, I parted company with Hudsons quite some time ago. I will not be making any more more posts on Sailing Anarchy. The list of structural failures in my boats will be updated on my web site if there are any additional details to add, not on Sailing Anarchy. You, and anyone else on this forum is welcome to contact me directly by email with any questions you may have. Best Regards, Tony www.graingerdesigns.net graingerdesigns@gmail.com
  2. Hi Peter (Hackett) Thanks for a productive post. Yes I would be happy to build an owner's support page but we really don't have any use for one right now. We have no trimarans in production, our designs only get built in relatively small numbers and there are no recurring problems that I'm aware of that would be served by a public support page. Owners and builders are always welcome to call me for advice. In the future I will be using the hat configuration to build production trimaran beams as described on the web site http://www.graingerdesigns.net As for pulling out -it was a mistake for me to post on this forum. I don't find the discussion all that productive and it distracts me from my work. I will again withdraw, and yes I know I will be attacked for that as well. Be attacked for staying or being attacked for leaving. I returned to the forum because I was inspired by Tony Ellen's suggestion of posting all failures on line. I will be posting them on my web site as well. Regards, Tony Grainger
  3. Thanks Oreana, crow was delicious
  4. List of known structural failures in boats by Grainger Designs since January 1986 Rig failures not included Ocean Emu 43’ Offshore high performance trimaran. 2 major beam failures due to faulty design. 3 MTB920’s Brisbane, Central Queensland, Melbourne, Two of them due to faulty design. All in the early 1990’s except one (Melbourne) which was mid to late 1990's There was another recent failure in an MTB920 (2015?). It had recently had the plywood front beam replaced due to rot. The rear beam failed shortly afterward. I expect the boat was at least 25 years old. And Hard Yakka (built late 1987) 8m trailerable had some beam problems due to rot. I’m not sure of the details. Ian Farrier recently sent me a photo of an Essential 8 that had some patching done around one of the folding pins. I mention it here because apparently Ian believes this is serious. He sent me a photo. A number of other broken bits and pieces like catamaran beam bolts that could be considered fair wear and tear over time. Daggerboards and rudders not included. I am happy to update this list with any notification from owners of failures that have not been included.
  5. Hi Tony, Yes what a nice idea. I will be preparing a complete dossier on my beam failures that I know of and posting, hopefully within the next 24 hours or so. Regards, Tony Grainger
  6. My post in the comments area on the tradeonly web site was one of the six taken down at 9am China time this morning - one can only presume at the behest of Hudson's lawyers http://www.tradeonly...inese-boatyard/ I have reposted it along with some related articles on my own web site www.graingerdesigns.net/news-views-design-topics/who-owns-the-project/ Tony Grainger
  7. Firstly I don't believe I said the boat would be a little heavier than the Seacart. I believe I said it would not be as light as the Seacart. This boat was never intended to be a grand prix racer and comparisons with the Seacart 30 are not valid unless you point out some of the important differences. The Seacart 30 has tube beams. They are very light and practical and they work fine but they don't fold. I don't know the interior volume of the Seacart but I suspect it is considerably less than the RAW30. The Seacart 30 is purpose specific. You can't buy a less expensive version using the same hulls that offers up to six berths, a settee and enclosed head. And if the price suggested for the Seacart 30 on this forum is correct or even close to the money then the price difference is significantly higher than the weight difference. The Airplay trimarans are designed as a production boat to fill a gap in the production boat market. That gap existed because the boats that employ the Farrier folding system until now have never taken advantage of modern multihull technology to optimise the performance of the boats. And that's exactly what I set out to do when Richard Ward approached me to design these boats in June 2011. I believe Corsair have built and sold well over 1000 boats and growing. Boats like the Seacarts are great. But they will never be built and sold in those numbers. Early in 2012 Richard took the decision not to tool up for the new boats and built the Cruz 950 instead. I had designed two models based on the same hull and cabin shapes, one with aft cabin, one with open cockpit. And there was talk of an all carbon version with the mast further aft and a bigger rig. This boat only ever got to concept stage when I was with Corsair. It's the boat we're discussing here now. In May 2012 I was approached by Hudsons and I showed them the drawings for the production folding trimarans. We made an agreement to put them into production starting with the RAW30. I never expected the RAW30 to be a big seller, it was intended more as a flagship for the Airplay brand and specifically the Sport and Sports plus models. But we already have a second RAW30 ordered and under construction and I believe two more orders are close to being confirmed. I expect the Sport and Sport plus version will be sailing before the end of the year. Regarding the question about twin rudders, taller mast, foils and canting rigs; The twin rudders are a certainty as an upgrade. We just have to make a small adjustment to the case and they bolt straight on the transoms. It is likely the RAW will offer different rig heights to allow for a variety of wind conditions around the world, but the other production boats will probably only offer two rig heights. Keep in mind that even at 14m and carbon construction the mast can be a handful to raise and lower if you are going to be trailering often. The other features are under development or under consideration. They have to be user friendly, reliable and reasonably priced. We have to consider all of these factors carefully. Having said that, We have a hugely enthusiastic and skilled team on this project. The guys looking after the construction are from Hakes Marine who build offshore racing yachts from the world's leading designers, and are also the builders of the SL33. Scott McCook is looking after marketing and sales in Asia and possibly some other areas. Scott is very well known for his exploits in multihulls, high speed power boats and motorbikes. He's one of the top multihull sailors in Asia and is highly regarded amongst fellow competitors at events like the Kings Cup. Between myself, Scott, and the Hakes team we are committed to getting these boats to the absolute pinnacle in construction, design technology and support, within the intended market spectrum. And we will continue to pursue all avenues of development to keep the designs at the peak. Tony G
  8. Hi Nuddy, Mast height is 14m. neat. We don't have a final weight measurement yet but it will not be less than the Seacart. We haven't set out to nail the world speed record here. It's a good all round performance package using the same hulls and floats as the Sport and Sport Plus boats, incorporating the Farrier folding system. It's very impressive how easily the boat folds on the water. Twin rudders are available as an upgrade. Tony G
  9. Scott McCook has trialled the RAW30 (10th to 13th October) and written a detailed review (about nine pages I believe) with some excellent photos by Karen Otton. Scott sent me a brief email with some performance data shortly after stepping off the boat on day three. He has kindly given me permission to publish the content of the email and you can find it on the rocketfactorytrimarans.com web site in the Airplay pages (RAW- Performance) Tony G
  10. Hi Wombat, I have an idea of the weight. We weighed the boat about three weeks before she was launched and I extrapolated some numbers from that - but lets see what the loads cells say next time she comes out of the water. Tony
  11. Scott McCook (Prosail Asia) has just spent three days in Xiamen giving the RAW30 a bit of a workout - and sounds like he's pretty impressed. I've posted a couple of pics on the Rocket Factory web site rocketfactorytrimarans.com They were lucky to have a good range of breeze to give the boat a thorough workout under all sail combinations- over 20 knots one day. I'll be posting more on the site in the coming weeks and no doubt Scott will also be posting on his site; http://www.prosail-asia.com Stay tuned, Tony G
  12. Hi Nuddy! Send me an email (or Skype /phone). graingerdesigns.net T
  13. The Airplay team is in the final stages of getting their web site operational. I'll let you know on this forum when it's online. Tony G