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  1. Condition of Older Melges 24s

    Many 24s racing today, including mine built 1999, race with their original spars. So, they can last 15-20 years, so far
  2. Olson 30

    A well sailed O30 with the rail meat with enough wind to use a #3, about 18knts, is much much faster upwind than a M24 unless the water is unusually flat, perhaps, like in a river or something. Light sport boats just don't do that well at all, no knock against the Melges. Waves and the lack of ability to shorten sail are the reasons. We always carried the #1 upwind to 18 knots true, it pointed better and was far faster than running the #3. And I completely agree that on the upwind leg, in 18 true, the Olson will be a little faster than a Melges 24. But. Once you round the top mark, the Melges will be completely gone, while the Olson might only be just barely surfing. It takes a great crew, a great driver, and 20+ to get the Olson lifting out of the water a bit downwind. Hell, this is true even for the Mumm/Farr 30, a much quicker design. The Melges is far more stable, far easier to gybe, and far quicker on any off-wind point of sail and will win when you consider both up and downwind. Also, the Melges is set up for very-easy-on-the-water rig adjustment. If the wind is up to 18, it is very easy to depower the boat with a little rig, some backstay, that beautiful and bendy carbon stick, and sail the boat to its full potential. The Olson has a postage-stamp main and was always harder to balance out when changing jibs, because its a jib-driven boat like all Santa Cruz ULDBs. They are just different animals. Many of the Seattle-area ex-Olson owners are currently in Melges 24s. It's not a fluke.
  3. Olson 30

    Almost every racing Olson that I am familiar with had jockstraps and BOD installed, including mine. While the boat advert looks very nice and clearly the current owner has done a nice job with the boat, the BOD especially looks like a good design, the asking price for a 35-year old balsa-cored boat even in mint condition is not in the normal ballpark for well-maintained Santa Cruz ULDBs. You could get a well-maintained Moore 24, SC27 or Olson 30 with trailer all for around 10-15k. You can get a racing Melges 24 for 25k. Consider that *as a class* the Olson 30 was always an experimental class with a fairly loose set of One Design rules, and isn't fielding the fleets it was back in the mid-90s, so isn't going to yield stellar, level racing. When I owned my boat, all the boats were different in subtle ways and fielding the crew of 8 required to be competitive was prohibitive to the fun factor. More modern boats, like *cough* the venerable and now 20-year old Melges 24 design, can basically outsail the Olson 30 in almost all conditions (except under 6 knots of breeze) and points of sail. Plus they are vastly easier to maintain, vastly more trailerable, have significantly larger upside for One Design sailing, and are much more fun to sail. Only problem with the Melges 24 is you can't sleep on it, so if you are getting the Olson 30 as an overnight racer, cool. It IS a great Hawaii boat!
  4. Round The County 2015

    Round the County is always a great time and a great sail.
  5. PHRF PNW handicappers

    "would welcome the big boat fleet back with open arms..." "...at or around the rating hit that was given to them...." ..."take it or leave it"... The big boats have moved on, and continue to race IRC, so I guess you have your answer. wrt this discussion at the end of the day only Westerly and Strum on the BC side have to pony up an IRC rating cert, which they did. For one-off outings like Van Isle, no one cares that much because the peeps do that race more for the adventure and experience than perhaps the pickle dish. 'nuff said about that.
  6. PHRF PNW handicappers

    time correction factor
  7. PHRF PNW handicappers

    Would love to see a level-set happen. Would also love to see people complain a lot less about ratings and sail a lot more, especially on other boats where they might learn something. There is a lot of pride at stake in sailboat racing but it would help ALOT of people if they went and sailed one design for a while, and realized they didn't know as much as they think they do. A lot of the PHRF boats out there I've seen recently racing are not very-well-handled boats. In a few recent low key races I participated in, I saw a lot of ... early season rust maybe? People not setting kites and just going for a cruise with their reefed main and storm jib on the race track. A lot of other boats just don't sail very often, and are usually caught trying to do basic stuff with disastrous results. That's great and all, until those race results are used to jigger a rating. The rating assumes you are a well prepared boat and you're actually *racing*. So in that vein, I'd say a component to any ratings adjustment appeal should be a minimum number of completed races or race days per year, in addition to whatever you are asking the adjustment for. If you want a rating credit for <insert monkeyjiggyhere>, you need to sail a minimum of N events/days and some results before its granted. Maybe even with the configuration in question. I believe this would encourage participation and discourage endless gift rating jiggering. To one person's comment: I think far more cross-border pollination happens than most people realize, because (where PHRF is concerned) while the *boats* in question are obviously racing just a small subset of events, Oregon Offshore, South Straits, Swiftsure, and WIRW - The *sailors* in question are frequently sailing one design in many different PNW venues - English Bay, Nanaimo, Victoria, Seattle, the Gorge, you name it. Those sailors are also usually heavily involved in a variety of boats, and have a lot of input and influence, and know a lot more about the regional sailing than most people tied to a single boat or single location do.
  8. Rocket 22

    get into the Melges 24, you'll never look back
  9. Oregon Offshore Race

    The 105 was sailing 4-up. They crushed it.
  10. Oregon Offshore Race