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  1. They are not the most comfortable boats on earth and a little tricky to get your pointing/upwind boat speed dialed in, but they are great boats and very fun to sail one design. Sold my boat when our local one design fleet dried up. Glad to hear there are growing numbers in your area. A road worthy trailer helps keep winter marina storage fees down if you can keep the boat in your driveway like i did. it will also expand your options for one design racing. great value for the money.
  2. What will you be doing with the boat? Racing or cruising I owned a masthead outboard J/29 and loved the boat. I originally purchased the boat for local PHRF racing, but found it hard to get 8 people onboard which it really needed. If you have 8 people the boat is a PHRF weapon, if you don't you'll be on your ear the whole time. The boat really relies on crew weight to keep her down and sailing happy. I've sailed on a fractional rig version and found the same to be true. I was using the boat for cruising most of the time and grew to hate the interior so I ended up selling the boat and bought a cruiser. The J/29 interior is really just a sail locker. If you are looking to buy a race boat, a J/29 is 100% the boat for you. It is hands down the best competitive well built boat for the money. If you are looking to cruise, I'd pass. The J/29 is an all out racer. If the J is for you, take your time and really go through the whole boat top to bottom and invest in a good survey. It is a 30+ year old racing sailboat so I doubt you'll find one in perfect condition, but make sure the boat wan't neglected as a cheap "deal" can turn into a nightmare with these balsa cored boats.
  3. Hi Wally6800, I don't think the question has been asked yet: Why a CF27? It comes down to what you will be using the boat for. Your location says Glen, NH which is an hour away from Lake Winnipisaukee where I assume you'll be sailing. Lake Winne is big, but not that big. Do you need a boat that big? Would a boat that is easier to trailer make more sense? I was just up there last weekend and saw a lot of J/24's out there. The CF27 is a left cost boat and will be hard to find. If you're looking for a cool, quirky race boat, What about an Evelyn 32-2? There are plenty on the Right coast, affordable, most are ready to race, and many come with a trailer so you can bring her to Winne very easily. If I were sailing on Lake Winnipisaukee, I'd get a J/24, but thats just me. Good luck with whatever you end up getting.
  4. I'm in the market for a new sailboat trailer. Boat = 21' LOA, 4' Draft, 8' beam, 2,500lb, Fixed fin keel. Got my quote from Triad Trailers. I like the company and the price is good. I've had Triad trailers with other boats I've owned and they were great! However, as I'm not one to just get one quote and jump right in. I'd like to shop around. My Question is: Who else is making sailboat trailers??? I'm located in the north east/New England area. Is there anyone making sailboat trailers near me??? I can't find anything. I can't believe that sailboat trailers only come from North Carolina, Florida, or California Any advice would be appreciated. P.S - no PM's about your old used trailer
  5. I would consider the high resale value of the J/22 a drawback here in Connecticut as there is no one design for the boat but they will be much easier to find for sale than a Sonar. Upkeep, dockage and maintenance will be identical for both the Sonar and J/22. Again, its all about the feel of the boat you're looking for. J/22 is a little lighter, has a little less freeboard, and will feel spirited like a dinghy boat. The Sonar won't have the dinghy performance feel, but the they are actually a little faster than the J/22 and extremely satisfying to sail up wind. They point damn near straight up wind and track like they're on rails. They are also much more surefooted when it starts to blow due to 200lbs more lead in the keel and the monster oversized rudder. I think the J/22 is more for the performance oriented racer, while the Sonar is for the casual racer/cruiser. Both are great options, just depends on what you're looking to do with the boat.
  6. Where are you sailing? New Haven Yacht Club has one J/22, not sure if it races. There is an active Sonar fleet a few towns over in Guilford, but the fleet doesn't look as great as it did in years past. There are very active PHRF fleets in Milford, Branford, and Guilford if you're looking to race. I had a J/24 until the fleet dried up a few years ago. Not a lot of one design racing in our neck of the woods. I sailed the J/24 in the PHRF fleet for years, didn't win much but had a blast. Both the J and the Sonar are great boats. jbigden is spot on with the "feel" of the boat. J/22 is sit on while the Sonar is sit in. I think the Sonar is every bit as nimble as the J/22, but the balanced inboard rudder on the Sonar may have a more of a muted feel for those used to sailing dinghies. If you are set on one of these two boats, I would go with the Sonar. It has the feel of a much bigger boat. If you could be happy sailing in the PHRF fleet, you will open yourself up to many more options at a more affordable price.
  7. Thank you guys for posting. I just bought a little tubby trailer-sailor cruiser called a Tangerine 18 which will be my comfy, slow cruising boat, now I'm looking at the scow as my all our racer. I do understand that the rig, most fittings, and rudders will most likely need to be replaced, just need to see if the hull is worth it. I'm also assuming the hull will need a little work which in willing to do but I'm walking away if it's completely rotten. Going to look at it tomorrow so I'll let you know how it goes.
  8. It's been three long years since I've done any sailing and I'm ready to get back in the boat. An old M-20 that has been converted to an I-20 has come up for sale in my area. It's an interesting option as by brother lives in Washington DC where there is a semi-active fleet. The boat is a 1968 and still has an aluminum mast but does have a sprit and is ready to go. I understand that we will probably not be competitive but what should I look for when going to see the boat? The boats I've owned include a laser, 420, Interclub, J/24, and most recently a J/29 but I've never owned or sailed a scow and know very little about them. Anyone have any advice, insight, or recommendations for this potential scow newbie?
  9. the 30' range is no man's land in the boat building industry. I don't think anyone who likes making money would consider making a 30' boat. These days, no one wants a 30 foot boat. Since the mid '80's the market has polorized to the Mid 20's and mid 30's leaving 30' behind. its just too big for some and not big enough for others. I'd take a good look at whats on the used market and go with that. I have sailed against an Andrews 28 and it looks cool but I think its because it looks a little off. the freeboard is way too high for a boat that size. Not the best competitor either. Looks like a OD 48 that someone cut 20' off the cockpit.
  10. Boat looks great, looks like a winner to me. Besides the "J Hater Nation" that is sailing anarchy, I think the number of hulls already ordered is a true testament to J Boat's ability to make a great boat, don't think the new sydney 37 will be able to match it's numbers in sales. That being said i am a little disapointed that the finished product wasn't the radical change in direction for J Boats that many people were expecting. I thought they would step out of their comfort zone and actually produce a hardcore, lightweight, T-bulb keel racer but it ended up being another 36ft cruiser/racer in their lineup. The 111 is too similar to the 109 and they will cannibalize each other's sales.
  11. Don't know the full story as I heard it second hand from someone who sailed on the boat but Mr. Mossop, owner of the Club Swan 42 "The Cat Came Back" was hit by a car years ago while helping someone change a tire. He was in a coma for a long time and apparantly when he woke up all he remembered was a cat hence the name of the boat and the black cat on the spinnaker.