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  1. staysail

    Vendee Globe 2020

    Interesting stuff about all the women. So is it right that Sam is the only woman ever to have actually won an Imoca event? Proves it can be done though.
  2. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    Either we have got much better at spotting whales in Biscay and the North Atlantic or the whale population there is increasing fast. Years ago we seldom saw any. Now it is common to see fin whales, slightly less often we see sperm whales and sometimes we see groups of pilot whales. Hard to beleive whales are an endangered species any more from what we are seeing. Marine biologist friends who know about whales say that running an engine without engaging the prop will get them to back off if they get curious about us and come close and that works at the speeds we sail at. If we were to be doing over 20 knots I doubt they would get out of the way. Makes one wonder how many get hit by big fast ships? And by the way, fin and blue whales swim much faster than 6 or 7 knots. Both species can do over 20 knots, and more for short bursts. Of course they also sleep!
  3. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    Read what Boink actually said about the owners/sailors. "so they would go with an old rig or a keel with a couple of laps already clocked up - and hence failure. Even the A grade teams with high budgets and intentions might be tempted by the carbon rams or hollow titantium bolts etc - at vast cost but but also higher risk of failure. So it was pre One Design abused by all and sundry throughout the fleet. " Not exactly high praise! He blames both rich and poor, for taking the risks which led to the failures. I agree with you that the current breed of owners, sailors and designers are indeed highly experienced. That is why the class doesn't any more need to have these keel and mast restrictions (which are not working!) imposed. That is the opposite of what Boink says as I read his post!
  4. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    Since when has advocating more freedom been "whingeing"? You are trying to blame failures on both excessive budgets and inadequate budgets, both at the same time, neither of which I believe have been proven. What you attribute to "abuse by all and sundry throughout the fleet" is a totally unwarranted exaggeration and generalization. Lets hope anyone revising the rules will be a little more objective and will 'fess up to what isn't working and will avoid fouling up a good thing. I shudder to think what "heavily revised specs" might be if written by anyone with your opinions. The VG is a great event. It has always been pretty risky. It has always attracted teams with both high and low budgets. There is no shortage of teams wanting to take part. Just let people, rich or poor, be free to keep it going forward as the most interesting offshore racing event in the world and don't kill it by over regulation.
  5. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    I think we have to agree to disagree. I like to see designers having as much freedom as possible, particularly for open class racing boats. A keel which breaks boats and a mast which can't carry the sail when you don't need to reef don't fit with my ideals.
  6. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    Yes I think (like you?) its highly probable the keel forging itself sustained little damage but the big point is it didn't stay on the boat and the attachments and the structure around them are not "one-design" so it is easy for you to suggest the designers/builders of the boat are responsible for what happened and not that the concept of the one-design keel as imposed by the Imoca rule, is a flawed concept.. Would you seriously suggest imposing even more rules such as a one design keel box and one design hull bottom around it and one design structure all around where the pins connect to the structure? where would it end? Also, concerning the mast, bearing in mind where the faster modern Imocas get much of their power from, do you still think the one-design mast as currently ruled makes sense? If not, how would you propose a new one-design mast rule? Don't you think the current breed of designers know as much as the guys that write the rules?
  7. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    AFIK the objective of imposing a one design keel was safety in that it was not intended to come off! It failed spectacularly in that objective. I don't know whether the keel itself was broken or not. Does it matter if its doesn't stay attached to the boat? What is the point of a restriction which doesn't work? Move on.
  8. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    I don't think anyone is arguing that there is anything "wrong" with the one-design keel. The issue as I see it is whether or not there is justification in imposing a one-design feature in a class which was originally intended to be "open" or "box rule", when the one-design is proved not to achieve its objective. The one-design keel connection to Hugo Boss broke (and maybe other things we will never know about broke) resulting in the keel itself threatening the integrity of the boat. Immediately after the collision ask yourself "What was the greatest threat to the safety of HB and her crew? Answer -- "The one-design keel !" It is pretty obvious that the one-design keel failed to achieve its objective which broadly speaking was to prevent Imocas from frequently losing their keels. In this case the keel became the major threat to the boat and was eventually "lost" anyway. Is there really now any supportable justification for imposing this one-design feature on the modern Imoca? I don't think so. When this one-design keel was designed Imocas were doing around 20 knots, now its upwards of 30! Similarly with the mast. Imocas have moved on. Righting moment and stress considerations have all moved on. Mast design should also return to pre-one-design rules. By all means restrict the use of excessively expensive materials but I say let naval architects and engineers have the freedom to design the whole Imoca racing boat again. One-design features are not working as intended and are now merely an obstacle to sensible progress and evolution of design for much faster boats.
  9. staysail

    Transat Jacque Vabre 2019

    Initiatives Coeur back in Lorient
  10. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    Too true! If team wants a stronger keel and stronger bearings/wet box, transverse bulkheads etc. Why not let them do it? Equally if they want a different fin cross section, why not? If you mandate a specfic keel design and teams dont build strong enough attachment systems, next step is one design wet box, then we have failure where the box attaches to the hull, next step, one design hull! End result, V65. It's a slippery slope.
  11. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    Yes of course, but the reason given why they cut away the keel was that if left unsecured it would damage the boat. I am assuming they reckoned the structure surrounding the "hole" you mention was not strong enough to survive long term and the integrity of the hull itself was likely to be damaged by the keel head and ram moving around without proper support by the bearings. My guess is that the front bearing and/or its fixing got ripped out, which in turn would be likely to at least partially destroy the aft bearing/attachment, and the bits these bearings and the ram are fixed to are not structurally unimportant regarding hull bottom integrity. Nothing can change the fact that imposing a one design keel on the class with the intention of preventing keel loss has been very publicly proved not to work.
  12. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    Is it better to tear the bottom out of the boat rather than break the keel off? ... and do you think people in the Imoca game have learned nothing in the last ten years?
  13. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    They might choose not to, but it is their money and their risk and by now the designers know enough to make informed decisions. If they choose unwisely they will likely not win the VG. With the benefit of all the hindsight and history, why can they not now decide for themselves? You seem to miss the point that for HB the OD keel did spectacularly not achieve its purpose. The OD aspect, for them at least, was useless, of no benefit whatsoever.
  14. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    1) The OD keel did nothing to prevent keel loss for HB. 2) Do you really think the teams designing the latest Imocas are still incapable of designing a keel which suits their boat and carries the degree of risk which their customer wants to sail with?
  15. staysail

    New Hugo Boss Spotted

    Miffy, we are seeing huge improvements in the Imoca boats performances and even still a good market for boats which have no chance of winning the VG so for me your arguements simply don't add up. What you are saying is "you can improve anything you like on the boat and spend as much money as you like on your new boat"... (which plenty of projects seem to be happy to do) ... "but don't even ever think about improving the design of the mast or the keel". Well I just hope you are proved wrong before too long.