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  1. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    anyone who has followed ocean racing for a good number of years could tell them why that is, and a good many already have on the SA forums.
  2. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    This forum tells me that you did. Please accept my apologies as the website or my pc must have got it wrong.
  3. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    Paid up member of the Potter, Mad etc. clique/fan club though! and why not a few more downvotes for that one?
  4. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    Thanks Mad. Insults, foul language, even multiple downvotes now. Water off a duck's back. Go on; have some fun, why not add another downvote on this one?
  5. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    Yep, I reckon its all hot air, totally impracticable and will come to nothing. And you have still not even suggested what the actual perceived problem with the Imoca/VG situation is now! And you have joined the "gratuitous foul language - sad people" club.
  6. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    And to Miffy, Pigpowr, Mad, Potter and the rest of the Potter fan club, if you don't like what you read but have nothing original to contribute on the subject why the insults and foul language? Do you really imagine that it might bother me! Pretty sad folk, those that get a kick out of using gratuitous foul language to no purpose
  7. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    So we have it, second hand (?), from both Potter and from you, that most everyone involved in the VG is "worried", about some vague "saturation in France" problem which isn't "financial". Presumably someone or several people must have told the pair of you what is actually likely to "go wrong"? All I am asking is what is the problem, exactly, which everyone else sees except me? The VG has been pretty similar for at least the last 4 editions as far as I have seen, with both skippers and boats developing on a fairly steady path. Why can this happy situation not continue? and why does it need to expand out to other countries where the same degree of public interest is clearly absent? Plenty of big businesses who are successful in their home country have failed when they have tried to expand abroad, especially when the right kind of market simply doesnt exist abroad. I would say it would be very risky for the whole Imoca scene to try and expand outside France. One reason it is a success here is that the Mini and the Figaro are here and they are the places from where many of the Skippers have graduated and I see no comparable situations in any other country. I know the UK, and there would be no hope there. All I am asking is "Exactly what is the peceived problem?"
  8. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    I know on these forums its "criticise Potter at your peril" Jack, but ... If the race still keeps attracting the best sailors and the venue stays at saturation point with entrants queuing, and the boats keep getting faster every 4 years and all the participants, sailors and sponsors, seem to be having a good time, and the public is following the race in their millions, I can't really see that "saturation in France" is really such a problem for the organisers. Seems like a problem many businesses would envy. I can't see why all the doom and gloom about the future of the VG, and I am in France rather a lot.
  9. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    For sure you are only being clear to your faithful fans! Well what exactly is it that you say worries the RD about what you call "the number of corinthian entries"? Why should they care who turns up provided they pay the entry fee and their boat is in class? I haven't seen any ill effects on the race being caused by low budget entries. Plenty of big budget sailors have been beaten by small budget ones in this event! As I see it for 2020 it looks as if there will be significantly more faster boats than last time, and I think it will still be a "pinnacle event" in 2020. Are you saying that you and the RD do not see it this way? Why do you say RD is concerned it won't "remain a pinnacle racing event"? What exactly are they worried about if its not money? And incidentally, if it doesn't remain a pinnacle event I would say, like the VOR it would be the beginning of the end for it, and that sure would be a financial worry. I think the last thing they should be doing is touching the VOR with a barge pole, but you are the one with all the "inside knowledge". How about you trying to call a spade a spade? What do you think is is going on and why?
  10. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    You do seem to be implying "Race direction are worried" etc. that the VG and Imoca might be on dodgy ground financially, and that there are lots of relatively non-serious contenders. You are implying that a "Corinthian Adventurer" is a bad thing, as far as the event organisers are concerned and you say there are lots of them, yet for 2020, I don't see them like you do. The names you quote are almost all from pre 2016. Maybe you are right and the VG is about to go belly up but your facts always seem to be wrong when you are challenged. I am guessing you are wrong about this too.
  11. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    So, new boat numbers? Didn't quite get that right then? And who exactly do you classify as a "corinthian adventurer" in the 2020 VG context? Perhaps you would like to name them? I am sure they would love to be described as such by someone who hasn't actually done it, or maybe you have Potter! Do let us know? Sure in the past there have been a very few who have done it on a shoestring or privately funded, but not many of the projects, either 2016 or 2020, that I know about would merit that description. It's not exactly easy to get to the start of the VG without serious investment and a fully professional project, but again, maybe your definition of professional differs from mine too. Seems about the only thing we can agree about is the Imoca class open 60 makes no sense at all as a boat for a fully crewed RTW stopping race!
  12. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    Like many here I am still reading. I am one who will be very sad to see the demise of this event which over the years has been the biggest inspiration to so many in this sport. But to all those struggling with ideas to make it cheaper so as to be more affordable I would say that to continue as the world's most challenging race it is inevitable that it will cost more, not less. And that unless it remains unquestionably the most extreme ocean racing challenge, sailed by the world's most famous sailors, for me and many like me it becomes (is now becoming!) a valueless has-been. Its a long race, its a commitment for a fan to bother to follow it, it has to be special. The potential game changer is the drone and OBR reporting which could be the light at the end of the tunnel. This is new technology which is only going to get better and fast, and it produces entertainment and allows engagement. The race organisers have yet to learn how to exploit it. Never before has it been possible to show members of the public what it really takes to sail a fast offshore boat through the oceans in all their moods, and its possible the public could become engaged as never before. If the public are to get interested it is the sailors who must be the main attraction. People are fascinated by people; not the advertising on the side of the boat! The sailors are the most important ingredient in the spectacle and must be portrayed as such. It can only work if the event is genuine and "the hardest". That means more expensive, not cheaper.
  13. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    Its not the cost. 99% of the sailors through the history of the event could surely never have financed it? Its the rich and powerful people in the world that have changed, and they have much more money than in the past. They could easily afford to stage the event and compete in it if they wanted to. That is the big "if". When I was young, enough of the rich people of this world were still human, liked and understood ocean racing, and enjoyed making it all happen. Maybe they reckoned to make money from it? Maybe they didn't care too much so long as the racing was great? Can you imagine the same spirit from the likes of Gates, Zuckerberg, etc. The wealthy people are not now simply "rich", they are "mega-rich" However you look at it this race, done in the style it is worthy of now, and not the present lame immitation, is going to cost a lot, much more than what is currently being spent, and the accountant mentality is not well suited to "having fun", managing any kind of real adventure. If a predicatble profit on a balance sheet has to be a major factor in the planning of this event sadly I think its doomed.
  14. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    So how exactly is a collection of mostly newer and much faster boats, with the numbers of wannabe entrants exceeding the departure port capacity, a "weak" fleet? let alone weakest since 2004? And how do you define a "corinthian"? in the context of the 2020 Vendee Globe? .....and what are the actual numbers you are comparing which lead you to the conclusion there are fewer fully-pro teams? I would be interested to see your list of "not fully pro teams", so I can understand your definition of "pro". I don't know many folk who work on the VG boats who are unpaid. I find it rather hard to accept a description of anyone making an attempt to race around the world single handed in a 60 foot race boat in the Vendee Globe race as not being a "serious contender". Check the history of the race. You do not need a new boat to win or come very close to the top.
  15. staysail

    VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

    So what is now wrong with the VOR? 1. There is now not enough kudos associated with winning it. It means far more to a Skipper and his/her fans to win the VG or the Figaro Solitaire. 2. The technical performance of the yachts in the race is in recession/standstill (Unlike mini, Imoca, Class 40 etc. etc.) 3. The event is not creating role models for the public (Unlike VG, Big Multihulls, even Minis). 4. The competitors are not being treated well enough. ( Unlike golfers, racing drivers, footballers, athletes! etc.) Crews are kept low profile, probably not being paid enough, and the business men and their stopover guests(!!!) are being seen as more important 5. The real top sailors don't want to/need to, do it again! 6. That one-design, organiser-owned fleet! Dreadful concept, boring, too restrictive (Nothing like it in other sports?, even in darts you can choose your "arrows".) 7. Perversely, it seems having relatively sluggish one designs sailed by crews of comparable high ability, actually means that luck now affects results more and not less. i.e. the Newport finish! To come consistently near the back maybe you do need to be bad. To win you need to be lucky! But as Jack and lots of others here say, the money for anything better isn't likely to materialise any time soon. Result? Death of a thousand cuts, I am very sad to conclude. I always read what Jack and Francis have to say with great interest but on this subject I think they are both way off the mark. It has to be a race first and a business, way second. I am more aligned with Random. ... and what am I watching right now? The nail biting finish of the Bermudes1000!