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  1. Youth evolution in sailing

    Not higher performance than a 29er, but much more accessible to a younger age range:
  2. Can we save Portsmouth handicap racing?

    +1 Which book?
  3. That really really depends on the group that's starting up, and their goals/resources. If they are GenX'ers / yuppies then new boats would be great. At some point, which ever newer boat gains some critical mass will take off although it won't be like the glory days of the Laser etc etc. OTOH it seems more likely that you have a group of people without as much disposable income, in which case a boat that has a lot of boats on the shelf to be picked up for lo-$ is good to just build interest in the sport. Personally I think the VX-1 is an awesome boat, most likely the best thing I've ever sailed. The economics are such that there will never be a local class here, so I am working at putting together some Buccaneers The boat is less important than the people. It needs to be something that is available though, and you can only answer that by doing some homework/legwork in your area. I'd bet a lot that there are fleets of boats sitting unsailed at the clubs in your area. If you find one that has just faltered but still has some people interested -and- numbers of boats on the shelf, you're more than halfway to success with your own group. FB- Doug Designed in this decade is good.... fleets at Cal Sailing in Berkeley and UCSB
  4. Aha, I see, HMB harbor is about a mile across. Back to Lidos, there are two flavors, the original and the 6000 series. Original has 3 separate buoyancy tanks (bow and side compartments) 6000 series is all one space. The problem is it can fully flood when (not if) cracks deep inside the centerboard trunk go undetected. In any case, if you buy a fleet of used Lidos, then you are in the Lido repair business. Parts for the original series are scavenged, some parts for 6000 series differ.
  5. See Lido 14 fleet historical list below, only 11 fleets are active out of 81 (no surprise - state of sailing in the US). Not much in SF Bay Area, active fleets appear to be in protected waters. Half Moon Bay, sure would hate to flip a Lido in the open ocean. http://www.lido14.org/Fleets/FleetListing.htm
  6. opti's (sic) rule

    Another alternative....
  7. RS Neo

    The Quba always impressed me, especially the larger Mylar sail. Points high and is well behaved on a run. With an Aero style rig on a Quba hull, should be lots of fun.
  8. Always wondered about this survey over the years. I sailed last year is not the same as I'm a sailor.
  9. Jay, thanks for your clarification on the Feva, sorry about the jibe. I take it you have first hand experience? Age 10-14 is the fertile ground to grow participation and retention. The Feva does that because it is the right size to fill the gap between prams and high-school fleets. rgeek, yep the UK has data, Yachts and Yachting does a good job with their annual surveys.
  10. Of course these archaic dinghies are popular because fiberglass doesn't rot. Don't get me wrong, plenty of classic boats are fabulous, Shields for example. The Naples-Sabot with a friggin' leeboard is a great little boat. But like the Opti, they are tubs when swamped, and neither can be effectively reefed underway. They are no longer strict One-Design which is a travesty because it creates a perceived check-book arms race to succeed, and discourages those who can't afford the go-fast kit. There will always be champions that come from these fleets. But what the OP is talking about is the quantity of sailors. Hard data is scarce, but the fact that this discussion has persisted for eons, suggests retention is still a big problem. Like a frog in a warming pan of water, this slow decline is measured over several decades. There is no shortage of kids age 7 to 11 who try sailing. In Newport Beach we have about 1000 kids sailing every summer, but only about 120 on high school teams. The post-college participation gap is certainly related to macro-econmics, but this is in the "too hard to change" pile. What is changing is affordable boats like the RS Feva, huge in Europe and becoming popular this side of the pond. It fills the gap for kids age 10-14 who want out of the tubs, but don't have the weight, strength and stamina to handle FJs or 420s. Popular with girls, this boat satisfies the "tweenage" segment who are much more sophisticated now than 40 or 50 years ago and represent the proverbial "low hanging fruit." JSA LIS now has over a dozen Feva fleets and 8 annual regional regattas. The 10th Feva Worlds in Medemblik is a big deal with 170 boats entered. 2018 will be in Clearwater Florida. If you have a chance, get your butt in one of these "new breed of craft," pretty sure you'll see why change is needed.
  11. RumLine, true, sailing is relatively expensive, but the decline is traceable to 1985 - extreme sports, jetskis, video games. High-stimulus alternatives have soared, but innovative dinghies in the US are only recently available. Commonly used boats designed pre-1970's - Opti's, Sabots, El Toros, Lasers, CFJs, C420s - don't have the modern attributes to compete well within the broader scope of modern consumer expectations. Any activity needs to feed the base. Small boat choices in the US for several decades have not provided the level of convenience, excitement and versatility necessary to sustain robust participation beyond novice levels. If we compare junior program enrollment rates for novice vs high school the ratio is about 10-1. This is about half of the retention rate in other sports. "Teenageers" age 10-14 are much more sophisticated now vs 30 years ago. The US pathway of commonly available dinghies does not provide kids age 10-14 with a viable advancement platform, nor an entry point for those who start late to competition. Further, as has been noted elsewhere, a race only focus takes away from kids' need for adventure, empowerment and exploration. The attrition rate of girls in sailing is much higher than boys. They have a greater need for social activity than boys, and yet here in the US what boat can a pair of 11 year old girls sail in decent breeze?
  12. Kids with helmets...WTF

    Quote from US Sailing website: "A word of caution now needs to be clear to all persons who consider using helmets while sailing. There is no data to confirm that helmets will prevent concussions. Helmets have been shown to reduce the incidence and severity of facial and skull fractures, contusions and lacerations, but not concussions. (4, 5) Concussions seem to occur more easily in pre-teen and teens. We also need to be aware that wearing a helmet makes the head a “larger” target and could possibly lead to more head strikes. Therefore, it is the position of the Sports Medicine Committee of US Sailing that helmets should be considered and encouraged but not mandated for aggressive competitive sailing, crew positions at increased risk for strikes to the head, and sailors who are learning the sport and thus unfamiliar with the position and movement of rigging and equipment." Source http://www.ussailing.org/helmets-sportsmedicine/
  13. RS Feva VS Pixel

    Fast forward two years and the Junior Sailing Association of Long Island Sound now has 8 RS Feva regattas this season.
  14. Megabyte v. RS Feva

    Laser Bahia, similar to the RS Vision: both rotomolded HDPE, convenient low maintenance. However, IMO rotomolded boats in this size ~15 feet begin to be too heavy. At 12 feet Feva size, rotomold works well, and the market appears to agree when you consider especially in Europe over 6000 in service. For a family adult size boat, the RS Quest at 14 feet looks nice. Video
  15. 420 vs 505 for beginner

    We used to tie a lifejacket to the top of the mast so the boat doesn't turtle. Taken the next step, see photo with mast float, can be removed after you learn.