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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.

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  1. Keep the innovation but get rid of the automation. Every adjustment realtime by muscle power. For the same reason I'm against chanting keels in monos.
  2. Possibly. However I couldn't be bothered doing a proper analysis
  3. The new ratings system... The new ratings system (picked unanimously by the owners) uses polars (not single point) and, what is radical (and the reasons the OA is backing it so strongly) is that for a given boat it starts with VPP derived polars, then as race days occur those polars are refined based on sampling from the boats own instruments taking the fastest few data points on any TWA/TWS to derive and perfect, over time, the boat's "empirical polars". Each boat will essentially be racing against its own, actual (not theoretical) "potential speeds" and the crew than can keep their boat near its potential speeds most consistently will win on corrected time. Also there is a sophisticated "archimedes system" for measuring (and spot checking) a boats actual weight at a regatta, which means that the owner who does not want to strip his boat for an event will be treated fairly. So you can have 2 GB 60's, one turbo'd and one stock, and they can both have fun competing against each other and may the best crew win It will also make racing between different brands of boats fun, and maybe even keep the marketing vitriol to a minimum Very very interested in how the archimedean weight is measured, we are having lots of fun finding a consistent weighing method here in AUS.Very interested in the empirical polars being used, but if the potential speeds and not theoretical speeds are being used, this is still an arbitrary handicap system? Peter There are some very smart people behind the new PCS/MultiRule. Hopefully one of them will post something somewhere, but till then here are imperfect/rough/approximate answers: Weight: Weigh a boat on scales, then put boat into the water. Have 4 set screws permanently inset above the waterline on the sides of the hull near each of the 4 corners of the boat. Then load the boat with a lot of water of known weight, and note exactly how much more the boat sank into the water with a device that affixes to the set screws and measures the distance from the set screw to the water, keeping out the affects of marina ripples on the water. Now you have a "delta". Compare that delta with a theoretical "delta" based upon the designer's computer files for the hull design (which they have agreed to share with the raters because it is good for the sport). Hopefully they match. If not, the raters have some calibration work to do. Now at each regatta, you just use that same device and the set screws to note where the boat floats, and you have an accurate weight wither which to adjust the boat's polars for that regatta. Potential Speeds (Empirical Polars): Each second during races instrument data is recorded (using existing navigation software) and data is aggregated into, e.g. 30 second segments and those segments are sorted into groups at each TWS/TWA. Clean the data by excluding any data near changes in wind speeds, tacks, jibes, and other external changes (data cleaning for a class of boats should be done by one leading independent VPP analysis firm). Then average a group of the fastest data points at each TWS/TWA to derive "empirical polars" Then repeat this every race and over the years so as to make the boat's empirical polars more and more accurate over time Hope that helps Not really. Whole thing sounds far to complicated. Both weighing and polars.
  4. Simply outstanding. And look at the way we idolize a Sydney Hobart line honors. Puts it into perspective.
  5. Late September early October. Leave it as a standalone event.
  6. p You need to check your maths Nuddy. You can do that for me Peter. Mark out of 10 and corrections in red please. u Re TT. 4 from 11 leaves 7 not 5.
  7. pYou need to check your maths Nuddy. You can do that for me Peter.Mark out of 10 and corrections in red please. u Re TT. 4 fr
  8. p You need to check your maths Nuddy.
  9. Cruising divisions sailed PHS under the top yacht system of rolling adjustments.
  10. p Absolutely spot on. Well said.
  11. There's an old saying Shane that you would do well to keep in mind. "Be careful not to bite the hand that feeds you". Your comments are way out of line. Particularly on a forum like SA. If you have those concerns why wouldn't you take them up with Tony privately. As I said to Chippy. The shit going on here is not good for the cause.
  12. the On what basis do you say a certified weigh bridge is not accurate.
  13. If you're just the numbers man why involve yourself in personal sleights about some competitors. How many of the Airlie and Hammo fleets did you actually weigh. Was Mad Max the only one that didn't get reweighed. What about zero and Pecadillo. When you challenge a certificate off a licensed weigh bridge or any other certified equipment you challenge the credibility of either the owner the person supervising the measure the operator or all three.
  14. I've seen a lot of shit on this thread mainly emanating from you Chippy and it does the cause no good. Much of it has been ill informed and very personal. To advance multihull sailing unity would be a great start. While talking shit one of our fraternity has lost his boat after a capsize. Launched only a few weeks ago after many years of hard work building. How about we take some time out to support Mark and offer whatever assistance we can. On the weights issue there is an issue. However it has nothing to do with people cheating as has been implied. It has everything to do with lax administration and either loopholes in the OMR rule or in NoRs published for regattas. The weighing done at Airlie is suspect and in my view has no more credibility than weighing done anywhere else and by any other method. I have personally supervised the weighing of boats in SA on both single point load cells and weigh bridges. Weights have been remarkably consistent. Within 10 kg. Dux Nutts was weighed in Brisbane on the three point system I assume. The weight on our preferred Adelaide weigh bridge was within 10 kg of this weight. Goldfinger has been weighed multiple times and the weight basically has not varied irrespective of the method or source. At this point boat weights which are so critical in OMR are the biggest area of concern. I will contact the relevant people directly to discuss ways of addressing the problem. OMR is now bigger than Qld and there needs to be a national approach to administration and resolution of issues.
  15. Yes. And on the foils it flew. Unfortunately we only saw it before the start.