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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. How about a modern version of a Chesapeake Log Canoe? Spectacular capsizes for the Red Bull/Facebook generation. Check. Canvas enough to be a sailmakers wet dream. "I think I've found a way for us to add another 3 sq ft". Check Athletic movement of hiking boards makes more sense to spectators than hamsters/cyclors/grinders pumping oil. Check. Mizzen trimmer sitting on the bumpkin, so usually a light weight female crew member => mixed crews. Check. Position in crew for owner/celebrity guest as "boardmen" Check.
  2. Absolutely
  3. Red boats don't work in America's Cup. They seem to be cursed. Mariner, Il Moro, NZL-20
  4. I think the penalty question boils down to when is the penalty "get behind" and when is it "Lose two boat lengths". For the answer to that, look at rule 44.2 in https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=YWNyYWNlbWd0LmNvbXxub3RpY2Vib2FyZHxneDoxMDMyMWFiNDFiYzIyYzU2 tl;dr; a ) penalty before the start => lose two b ) OSC => get behind c ) Part 2 infraction on same leg or in the zone => get behind 4 ) all others => lose two So in the situation that caused all these questions, NZL and GBR were most def not on the same leg, so it could only be d) lose two. And the response from the official twitter, utter covfefe
  5. Or just read the rules. If the boats are on the same leg or in the zone, it's 44.2 (c), and the penalized boat has to drop 2 hull lenghts behind the other. As BAR and ETNZ were very much on different legs, we go to 44.2 (d), and there the penalty is to reduce VMG until she loses two hull lengths compared to the other boat.
  6. Ben went down a few degrees after ETNZ started bearing off. That enough to be hunting and throwing away the penalty. Ben should have kept the wheel steady
  7. Maersk has been a sponsor for ETNZ for a long time. They were onboard in SF as well.
  8. The Arab team boards seem to start boiling & slow down much earlier than the Brit ones, looking at the vids. Brits? You mean team Tata Motors from India?
  9. I think that is a line from "The Usual Suspects" - When Verbal points out that the crew of the boat is jabbering away in Hungarian rather than Russian. Which is a clue that Verbal is actually Keyser Soze. That. And the screenshots are from Lake Balaton and shows the carrier as "Vodafone HU"
  10. I think Kim was busy. But they did get Lindsey Vonn and Miley Cyrus's beau, so thats something. http://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/sporting/news/a6118/americas-cup-race-new-york-city/
  11. Seriously, has anybody read this? Hans-Christian could have done a better job. Some of my favorite assumptions are 40 super yachts staying on average 6 weeks each. Cruise ships will result in an additional 142,450 visitor days and 50,086 crew days in Bermuda worth $14.5m plus $3m from provisioning these extra cruise ships. $94m from ACEA and the teams. Lets assume for a moment that ACEA spends the same as a team. They are saying the figure is based on 6 teams. That suggests the teams will be spending $13.5m each. Anybody still believe the Germans when they say they can do a campaign for $15m? Or are the Germans right and these figures all wrong? 9000 extra people will choose to go to Bermuda during the AC to visit friends and relatives and that they will spend on average $117 per day, which is the same figure as they say a normal visitor will spend per day (ex hotel). So they are saying that 14% of the island's population will have friends or family that will choose to visit because of the AC AND that is on top of the 14% who would already have visitors at that time of year. So nearly 30% of the population will have visitors. Overall, what a glorious work of fiction it is! You know they were thorough because they even dug up evidence of a second Fremantle AC, that I bet most of you never knew existed. From page 3: In order to estimate the range of PEI on Bermuda, we have reviewed Economic Impact Assessments performed subsequent to a number of past America’s Cup events, along with various other results reported from past events. In particular, we have considered: AC34: San Francisco, USA (2013) AC32: Valencia, Spain (2007) AC31: Auckland, New Zealand (2003) AC30: Auckland, New Zealand (2000) AC26: Fremantle, Australia (1987) AC25: Fremantle, Australia (1983)
  12. Well, that is how Oracle likes their One Design rules
  13. When has RC ever done anything for free?
  14. "We must think about the future of long-term Cup" Somebody should probably tell Harvey how a challenge cup works.
  15. Well, that to be honest that has been the Oracle brand for decades now http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1999/0920/6407050a.html My favourite part: Ellison says the ads will continue unchanged. Go ahead and sue, he jeers: “We have more lawyers than they have programmers.”