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  1. For me racing has always been a tactical sport and not the sailing equivalent of drag racing. That's why I agree with DDW's comment above.
  2. Centerboarder Design

    Because you know better than Ted Hood did after he built a series of these boats and sailed them across oceans? And, of course, not every Ted Hood centerboard boat was designed on the same principles. Whoops that was a typo on my part. I meant to write similar not sillier. Pretty funny actually.
  3. Centerboarder Design

    Old Salt- I looked up some Hood designs and they do look quite sillier in their underbody shape–thanks. As far as I understand it, a dériveur intégral means that the centerboard is not ballasted, or only ballasted enough to submerge it. A dériveur lesté has then a ballasted centerboard. As Tom Scott and legs mentions the thought is that with an unballasted board in really heinous conditions you can raise the board and not change the stability profile thus allowing the hull to slide when hit by waves.
  4. Centerboarder Design

    Leg- Thanks for the precision on the Boréal ballast placement. It still however would be higher than the placement of the ballast in the Koopmans 45 given the difference in board up draft (1.02m vs. 1.30m) and the Koopmans has a lot more ballast down there (3,600kg more). As I wrote I know the Boréal is a super capable high latitude boat. It's just that Koopmans (both father and son) have designed a lot of successful high latitude boats and the approach seems a bit different (more traditional perhaps). Below are some pictures of a Koopmans design Polaris.
  5. Centerboarder Design

    By the way, I'm not trying to question either design approach. Both have been used effectively for numerous high latitude voyages. I'm just trying to see if I'm understanding the design trade offs properly. Frede
  6. Centerboarder Design

    I agree.
  7. Centerboarder Design

    The bottom of that keel is 3 feet and the Koopmans draws 4.25 feet with the board up. I have a hard time seeing 8, 360 lbs. of lead in that keel considering it houses the centerboard and I believe the engine shaft; maybe some of it but I doubt all of it.
  8. Centerboarder Design

    I'm looking at blue water, arctic capable, designs (a type I'm not that familiar with) and there seems to be two main approaches: 1) The French approach with a lower D/L (182 for the Boréal 44 for example), lower ballast % (36%, again for the Boréal 44) and less dead rise so the internal ballast is higher in the boat. These boats rely on form stability more I guess, less deadrise equals sharper turn in the bilge of the mid section. 2) The Dutch approach with higher D/L (248 for a Koopmans 45), higher ballast % (43% again for the Koopmans), serious deadrise, thus deeper placement of internal ballast and tanks. I'm wondering if anybody has experience with this type of design. The hull shape of the Boréal looks closer to me to what a fin keel hull would look like and the Koopmans' hulls look very bloated and strange to my keelboat eye, but I also see the logic of the Dutch approach gives the constraints of a centerboarder. Given neither boat is going to plane the added weight of the Koopmans seems like a small price to pay for the added stability. I've added a picture of the koopmans hull below Thanks, Frede
  9. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays CA'ers

    Happy Holidays to all, and especially Mr. Perry. All best, Frede
  10. i want that

    Nomad IV once passed me in the Mediterranean and I was amazed what a huge wake it was pulling in relatively light breeze. I imagine on these open style boats the (prior?) concern with not dragging the stern has gone out the window.
  11. i want that

    I think I get what you are trying to say but all the same my first reaction to the Code 2 above was that it was more of the same. It made me immediately think of this (with admittedly much more performance): And I'll let pass the criticism of Schoenberg, whom I love and admire greatly. Frede
  12. Fast 40 on a budget?

    Does anyone know if a new Mat 11.80 would fit into the band? Thanks
  13. adventure 40

    I agree, but I was referring to the yards with a track record who have built these kinds of voyaging boats like Boreal, Breehorn etc. I was just wondering how much savings you get with one of those boats vs. a custom built with similar spec. I looked into the Van de Stadt stock plans several years ago and came to the conclusion that once you get into mid 40 feet range the architecture costs are a smaller percentage of the overall costs, so it doesn't really save you that much to build from stock plans. Frede
  14. adventure 40

    I agree that the concept, which is really a very small niche, is well covered: Boreal, Breehorn, Concord, Allure, Garcia, and then the Van de Stadt stock plans, etc. Of course the price is not 200,000, and I wonder how much savings you are really getting vs a custom build.
  15. Which 30ft performance cruiser?

    Thanks for the reply. That's what I thought. Just looking at the numbers, it definitely is less powerful.