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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.


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  1. For me racing has always been a tactical sport and not the sailing equivalent of drag racing. That's why I agree with DDW's comment above.
  2. Because you know better than Ted Hood did after he built a series of these boats and sailed them across oceans? And, of course, not every Ted Hood centerboard boat was designed on the same principles. Whoops that was a typo on my part. I meant to write similar not sillier. Pretty funny actually.
  3. Old Salt- I looked up some Hood designs and they do look quite sillier in their underbody shape–thanks. As far as I understand it, a dériveur intégral means that the centerboard is not ballasted, or only ballasted enough to submerge it. A dériveur lesté has then a ballasted centerboard. As Tom Scott and legs mentions the thought is that with an unballasted board in really heinous conditions you can raise the board and not change the stability profile thus allowing the hull to slide when hit by waves.
  4. Leg- Thanks for the precision on the Boréal ballast placement. It still however would be higher than the placement of the ballast in the Koopmans 45 given the difference in board up draft (1.02m vs. 1.30m) and the Koopmans has a lot more ballast down there (3,600kg more). As I wrote I know the Boréal is a super capable high latitude boat. It's just that Koopmans (both father and son) have designed a lot of successful high latitude boats and the approach seems a bit different (more traditional perhaps). Below are some pictures of a Koopmans design Polaris.
  5. By the way, I'm not trying to question either design approach. Both have been used effectively for numerous high latitude voyages. I'm just trying to see if I'm understanding the design trade offs properly. Frede
  6. I agree.
  7. The bottom of that keel is 3 feet and the Koopmans draws 4.25 feet with the board up. I have a hard time seeing 8, 360 lbs. of lead in that keel considering it houses the centerboard and I believe the engine shaft; maybe some of it but I doubt all of it.
  8. I'm looking at blue water, arctic capable, designs (a type I'm not that familiar with) and there seems to be two main approaches: 1) The French approach with a lower D/L (182 for the Boréal 44 for example), lower ballast % (36%, again for the Boréal 44) and less dead rise so the internal ballast is higher in the boat. These boats rely on form stability more I guess, less deadrise equals sharper turn in the bilge of the mid section. 2) The Dutch approach with higher D/L (248 for a Koopmans 45), higher ballast % (43% again for the Koopmans), serious deadrise, thus deeper placement of internal ballast and tanks. I'm wondering if anybody has experience with this type of design. The hull shape of the Boréal looks closer to me to what a fin keel hull would look like and the Koopmans' hulls look very bloated and strange to my keelboat eye, but I also see the logic of the Dutch approach gives the constraints of a centerboarder. Given neither boat is going to plane the added weight of the Koopmans seems like a small price to pay for the added stability. I've added a picture of the koopmans hull below Thanks, Frede
  9. Happy Holidays to all, and especially Mr. Perry. All best, Frede
  10. Nomad IV once passed me in the Mediterranean and I was amazed what a huge wake it was pulling in relatively light breeze. I imagine on these open style boats the (prior?) concern with not dragging the stern has gone out the window.
  11. I think I get what you are trying to say but all the same my first reaction to the Code 2 above was that it was more of the same. It made me immediately think of this (with admittedly much more performance): And I'll let pass the criticism of Schoenberg, whom I love and admire greatly. Frede
  12. Does anyone know if a new Mat 11.80 would fit into the band? Thanks
  13. I agree, but I was referring to the yards with a track record who have built these kinds of voyaging boats like Boreal, Breehorn etc. I was just wondering how much savings you get with one of those boats vs. a custom built with similar spec. I looked into the Van de Stadt stock plans several years ago and came to the conclusion that once you get into mid 40 feet range the architecture costs are a smaller percentage of the overall costs, so it doesn't really save you that much to build from stock plans. Frede
  14. I agree that the concept, which is really a very small niche, is well covered: Boreal, Breehorn, Concord, Allure, Garcia, and then the Van de Stadt stock plans, etc. Of course the price is not 200,000, and I wonder how much savings you are really getting vs a custom build.
  15. Thanks for the reply. That's what I thought. Just looking at the numbers, it definitely is less powerful.