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  1. I think it's more like: "The design process is going to be the reverse of last time. Good teams will be looking at the rule and the proposed course and working out if they really want to spend a shitload of money or if they should be looking to optimise their resources elsewhere."
  2. I mentioned this in a post about the live experience in Bermuda: the race village was great but not because it made directly watching the races so wonderful. To the extent that you wanted to actually follow the race you needed to watch it on the massive screens.
  3. "It would appear that one Rich American Called Larry Ellison has had enough – the cost of the Cup has proved too high even for him. Which leaves one to wonder just who will show up?" I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the Kiwis are narrowing the field down to an insanely narrow bunch: The nationality rules knock out most potential teams and leave really only France, UK, Italy, US, NZ, Australia, plus a few others at the margins (Sweden, Spain, etc). The location and need to have the races in the European and US night time, in winter, knock out any teams relying on sponsorship that relies on a positive ROI, e.g. not vanity sponsorship. That decimates a slew of US/Eur sponsors such as Groupama, MAPFRE, etc. The cost of building a new platform and being competitive knocks out anyone who can't commit Larry-level dollars and Larry-level technology. So here's my depressing prediction for teams making it to the line: ENTZ Luna Rosa One Aussie team backed 75/25 by private/sponsorship dollars That's it. I think that Sir Ben will try but will find that Land Rover is only willing to chip in a few bucks and will come up short on raising the rest. I think that one or two US billionaires will toy with it but will ultimately decide that they cannot be competitive on a new platform in such a short period of time.
  4. Here's my question. It is now September 2017. The race is supposed to be about Feb 2021. That's less than 3.5 years; more like 3 years from now to needing to be sailing and practicing in your boat. Best case scenario is the protocol comes out this month and then the design rules this winter. Maybe. So you're talking about 2.5 years from getting the design brief to needing to be up and sailing. Outside of a few ultra billionaires, who could do that? Doesn't this make it even MORE of a billionaire's competition than it was under LE? Or are they going full Volvo and making it really one-design?
  5. Wow, that's for certain.
  6. Color me skeptical. I'm open to all ideas they may have and willing to be impressed, but some sort of ungainly 20 foot wide triangle shaped mono with wicked appendages, just to say it's a mono, seems ridiculous. And going back to narrow monos with fixed keels would be a bore. And relying on canting keels seems to defeat the possibility of fast-tacking match racing. Well, I'm not a naval architect. Just enjoy sailing and technology. So let's see what the experts come up with. Oh, and I dislike the idea of one-design for the AC. Set some parameters and let the designers design.
  7. are the monster exclusion zones new? what are they keeping the fleet away from?
  8. I said it before in another thread, and I believe it more now than ever. LE doesn't like to lose. Better stated, LE doesn't lose. And if ever there is any degree of chance in the outcome, LE determines ahead of time how he can personally or professionally win regardless of the outcome. So in Bermuda, if he had won on the water, great, he wins overall and gets another AC in Bermuda in AC50s with the hope of a couple more teams. But he lost on the water, so my question is how he figured out how to win despite the loss. And I think Tornado-Cat has his finger on it: The Bermuda 5 will do their own event in AC50s and do their best to marginalize the AC proper. In which case we have a fight on our hands. In one corner: LE and some other 'lesser' billionaires try to establish an F1-style circuit, with a full slate of events in 2018 leading up to the victor winning a new cup bearing the name of a sponsor that signs onto a long term deal. Maybe the "Louis Vitton Cup." Assets in their corner: a whole lot of money, 5 teams ready to go, boats ready to go, bases ready to go, probably tv contracts ready or near ready to go. In the other corner: GD and LR, trying to run an AC in Feb 2020 in a manner similar to the way it's traditionally been, as a 1-off regatta with a long lead up. Assets in their corner: the Americas Cup, support of the entire Kiwi nation, support of one billionaire. I'm not so sure anyone on this forum should declare a winner in that fight before the fight itself takes place. LE's money and ego against the prestige of the AC, is what it comes down to. I don't know. If you were one of the world's 'lesser' billionaires or if you run a company with a big marketing budget, and you loved sailing, and you were faced with joining LE or fighting LE, I don't think you'd have an easy decision to make.
  9. Of course it all depends on what the protocol ACTUALLY says when it come out, but...speculation is fun. Problems with CiC are: 1. If the threshold is a certain percentage CiC, how do you accurately measure it without spending millions on some accounting firm? 2. If the threshold is certain components, how do you make it fair to countries without specialities in those components? If electronics are included, most countries are in trouble. If spars are included, most countries are in trouble. If sails are included, most countries are in trouble. Layer these and figure out which countries can construct or manufacture the electronics AND the spars AND the sails. How many is that, maybe 4? Not likely including Italy. 3. If it includes design, how do you measure where design work is done in the age of the internet? Seems to me that the danger is that GD is making the cup both more expensive and narrowing competition. On the other hand, maybe it's just hull (and foils), in which case most countries can manufacture high-end graphite composites these days.
  10. I think we've pretty much flogged this horse well past its expiry. Poor thing. The point is that nationality rules would be very difficult to establish and enforce in an age of multinational corporations, the internet, multiple passports, and passports-for-sale, UNLESS the RNZYS is looking to stack the deck a la the NYYC back in the day. Good on RNZYS if they can figure this out and keep it fair, but I suspect that it's a waste of time and brain power better suited to determining things like the boat, the format, and what to do about the world series. I think it would be a shame if the AC were delayed or pushed later in any way due to the RNZYS/ENTZ spending weeks or months on nationality rules. Either don't have them or make the standard a bit hazy. "Bona fide connection to the nation" anyone?
  11. So how does this work? Southern Spars can build spars for the NZ, South Africa, USA, and Spain teams only? But only if their designers relocate to each of those four countries to do the design work on those four projects. "Alright team, time to wrap up on team NZ, we have a flight to catch to Capetown so that we can design the mast for Team South Aftica. Remember to pack up your laptops. And can one of you guys remember to pack up the server? That has to go carry-on - it's quite fragile."
  12. Wow, this rule will certainly help the USA. No national language = whole world to choose from. How about Team Guatemala? 25 official languages there...including English.
  13. Not sure if you are serious or not, but these ideas are (a) nuts and (b) romanticizing the original race without recognizing what actually happened. First off, the America did sail across the ocean on its own but then went directly into a ship yard (in France, if I remember the book Low Black Schooner well enough) for refits to make it better suited to racing around the Isle of Wight. So if we were to envision a modern equivalent, teams could sail a Volvo 60 across the ocean, take it into the chop shop, and come out with a foiling cat. Maybe they could keep a 6-foot section of the original in some part of the boat that doesn't matter much for performance so that they could say it was constructed in country... Secondly, the first race was a parade. The America lead nearly the entire time, even accounting for a long period during which she got caught in irons. The race was boring even by 19th century standards. Many of the British boats didn't even want to race her because they recognized from the get-go that the America arrived with a better, more modern design. Fundamentally the format has been changed, many times over, to make the racing better, to encourage more design risks (like the America herself, like Reliance, like Australia II, like the cyclors), and to make the racing generally, outside some fairly major exceptions, fairer.
  14. Is there enough benefit in continuity to have AC36 in 2.5 years (~Feb 2020) versus the benefits (more design and planning time) that would come with a 3.5 year gap?
  15. Wind direction has slowly clocked all week and at this moment is now north of due west, quite light (I'd guess 6-8 based on the waves), and it's overcast and super humid. Given how it has trended and is now, I tend to believe the GFS/NAM models showing 5-12 out of the SW +/- 30 degrees.