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  1. If Bobby needs another loan to get his house rebuilt and get supplies from Wal-Mart, then Bobby will be grateful if Uncle manages to organize some credit for him behind the scenes. Meli, this isn't about Trump. PR has already been approved for the SBA grants, the FEMA loans for home rebuilds and infrastructure grants. In my opinion Trump wrote the right thing about those collapsed bonds, he didn't obligate to pay them (which might be impossible given the size of the debt), and he didn't dismiss them (which would murder new bond issues). And I noticed that in the next post you posted a link to the NYT, that's Debt 101 for PR. If you spend a few more months learning about their bond crisis, then you might see why Trump isn't even 1% (pun not intended) of the problem here.
  2. PR will desperately need new credit, new bonds, and their chances of getting any of that without politics at this point is nil. Their pending insolvency couldn't come at a worse time. I'm not sure that Trump could make their situation any worse, and in his own way, he might make it better if he gives the Twitterized notion that the banks are going to get their PR dough, that can help. You might be right, maybe it will be clean slate time. I just don't see how that can actually happen without telling the banks that they're eating this one. PR is $75 billion in the hole before the storms. So say they can get their debt reorganized minus all the interest to maybe $40 billion, that's still something like 3 weeks of the Pentagon's budget, just a massive pile of dough. And the rebuild will probably add another $20 billion minimum to that. If the banks eat it, who fronts the money for the rebuild?
  3. Ironic, but just a few days before the first storm, I did a seminar about remediation options for PR's bond crisis, the long and short of it, its was an unholy mess before these storms hit ... $73 billion in debt, their path through bankruptcy seems the only real option, which would set them back ten years or more. But with these storms, dear God. It's just freaking time ... their statehood application needs to be fast-tracked. We should do what we can with aid, let them take the BK, admit them as the 51st State and then work with them to fix it all and then grow wealthy together. They have enormous resources that need to be part of the country in a complete way.
  4. Remembering happier days for Puerto Rico, back in 2012 when they voted for Statehood. I was sure at the time that it would happen quickly. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/141451-holy-shit-puerto-rico-finally-voted-for-us-statehood/ If nothing else, this disaster needs to bring them into the country, statehood needs to happen asap for PR.
  5. This nails it. When islands get hit with quakes, hurricanes and such, they suffer worse than mainland locations because their infrastructure is already tenuous. Their water is internally sourced, their supplies have to be shipped in, and the victims are locked on the island until transport. I remember after the Haiti earthquake, about another 60,000 people died beyond the 100,000 victims from the quake because the logistics was a nightmare. At the time I had palettes full of solar watermakers to ship down there, I was going to write them off as a loss, and I couldn't find anyone to get them transported down there. They sat on our shipping floor while people down there died from lack of clean water.
  6. You apparently don't know about the bond crisis in Puerto Rico, and you're making a judgement on Trump because of it. But that's okay, because I suspect most Americans don't know about the Puerto Rican bond collapse either. Their bond market pretty much collapsed due to internal mismanagement, and because of that, their own internal means to manage their own emergency funds have been severely hobbled. Trump didn't say that they have to "pay their debts" but rather he's pointing out that they came into this disaster already screwed.
  7. Yeah, I missed the "treason" thing, where did he write something treasonous about PR? His Twitters seem pretty spot on. Maybe he wrote something else that was stupid (I wouldn't put it past him) but at least those ones are correct and not confrontational.
  8. I don't see the "victim blame" in those Twitters, can you show them to me? He's stating fact about Puerto Rico, they had a bond collapse and their economy is in shambles, their infrastructure was a mess before the disaster, it's worse now, their grid is antiquated, they absolutely are in "deep trouble." How has he blamed the victim?
  9. That's not completely right. Unfortunately there are certain laws that limit the response our National Government in PR. A proactive President could act anyway with some small amounts of discretionary funds and deal with dotting the i's and crossing the t's later, but President Trump is not that proactive President. Even if he was, those funds are pretty much a piss in the bucket compared to what PR needs at the moment. I monitor government money at my job, contrary to popular opinion (like your's) non-military money is fairly rigidly controlled, it is difficult to impossible to allocate it without specific legal authority and Congressional action. There literally isn't the mechanism to make it happen. Now, if PR was a State, there would be all kinds of legal authority to get help and money to them much more directly. We can get money and aid to Puerto Rico much, much easier than say, Haiti, but it's still more difficult than say, Florida.
  10. That's not right. They are full citizens of the USA, they have the identical National rights as any other citizen. The difference is that Puerto Rico has only recently (four years ago) voted to become a U.S. state, and that process can take a while (and given the current political climate will take even longer). Since Puerto Rico is not a State, the residents of PR don't have the voting rights of a state, limited representation. They have representation within their own territory however. A corollary is how I used to to live in a certain Colorado city, and I had the right to vote in that city, run for office, etc.. I also had voting rights in the County (i.e. for Sheriff) and in the State (i.e. for Governor and State Representation). Then I move right outside the city (literally a few hundred yards) and I'm now in an unincorporated part of the county. I still have my county and state voting rights, but since I don't live in that city, I can no longer participate in their politics. If I move back there, my rights instantly reappear. When a Puerto Rican moves to any U.S. State (and they can do so at will) they then have the same rights as the residents of that State. So it's not the person who doesn't have the full rights, but rather the island itself that doesn't have the full rights. The problem with PR now is that they have recently suffered a near economic collapse in a bond scandal, and these natural disasters that they have exacerbate the problem because they're nearly broke and the aid they get from the Feds is too limited. They need to become a State, our 51st State, because even though they get mostly the same Federal benefits as we do (i.e. Medicare, Social Security, DOE ad DOI funds, etc., they will remain poor without the investment potential provided to them by Congressional Representation and full National support. These natural disasters are a good example, rather than seeing the full weight of the U.S. National Guards, FEMA, State Aid, Disaster Zone aid, etc., we have yahoos who consider them less than Americans. PR is officially a Commonwealth, we have two Commonwealths here, Puerto Rico and the Northern Marianas Islands, which includes Saipan and Tinnian. We also have some Territories such as Guam, U.S. Virgin Islands and American Samoa, again, their citizens are full U.S. Citizens, able to come and go to the mainland as they please, with full rights when they're here, but more limited representational rights than Commonwealths. (Although there is a limitation with citizens of American Samoa, the citizenship isn't conferred as easily as the other territories.) And finally we have the Economic Free Association States, which include Palau, Marshall Islands and Federal States of Micronesia. Those are their own countries with their own U.N. representation, but they are defended by the U.S. Military, their citizens can come and go to the USA as they please and when they come here they don't receive most U.S. benefits in their own countries, but when they come here they receive full benefits, Social Security, access to jobs, voting, etc.. I do get your passive-aggressive accusation purpose of "colony in 19th century terms" but they are not those in any way, the U.S. economy receives far less in benefit from those islands as they cost us to defend and support and support them, so they are not in any way the definition of a "colony" which conventionally means a profit-generation scheme. An exception might be Guam, which is so heavily populated by U.S. Military, that is in a sense, a "profitable" territory, because to replicate that kind of military infrastructure elsewhere (like on Hawaii) would be very expensive. Guam, American Samoa, Saipan, Tinnian, and the other smaller islands really need to bind up to become the 52nd State, it would benefit them tremendously, in my opinion.
  11. His protest made it far more difficult for him to be hired, there is little question of that. If he had the top tier release time and delivery of Aaron Rogers, for instance, he would have been hired regardless. But it's impossible to deny that he is better than average NFL quarterback. But if that was your point, then you didn't write your point. You wrote that "he no longer has the skills." And that isn't true, he absolutely has the skills.
  12. Kaepernick took an ethical stand, an objection of conscience, and then he stuck by it. Vick and the others didn't take an ethical stand, they committed crimes. That you have even equated those two in this post and Post #30 is ridiculous. You've essentially connected Kaepernick's freedom of expression with a crime. It does not "pale in comparison" because there is no comparison. It's like trying to compare Lobster Thermidor with Western Comparative Philosophy. Then, President Trump went and played the fool (again) which validated Kaepernick. And I believe that Dacapo is right, he'll be picked up soon, especially with the difficulty of finding good backup QBs.
  13. You wrote that "he no longer has the skills necessary to perform as a quarterback in the NFL." That is clearly false. His QBR is better than half of the quarterbacks in the NFL, and his scoring record and release time is more than sufficient to be employed in the NFL. Talk about his contract, his desired salary, other quarterbacks like Cutler, but your statement about Kaepernick is not correct in any way
  14. Good to see you back here, and best wishes to you and your family. How is your wife doing? Any improvement? How are you holding up?
  15. A critical thing to understand about a lot of Black NFL players, is that yes, they may be millionaires, but many also come from poverty. They go home and they're met with extended family and neighbors who still live in poverty. When you see that millionaire take a knee, it is often someone who is deeply connected to the problems of injustice in this country. Anyone who rightly values the open and free expression of Constitutional rights as being far more American than any jingoistic flag-waving, should be impressed by their passion. And that isn't a left-right thing, that's a core love of The Constitution.