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      Abbreviated rules   07/28/2017

      Underdawg did an excellent job of explaining the rules.  Here's the simplified version: Don't insinuate Pedo.  Warning and or timeout for a first offense.  PermaFlick for any subsequent offenses Don't out members.  See above for penalties.  Caveat:  if you have ever used your own real name or personal information here on the forums since, like, ever - it doesn't count and you are fair game. If you see spam posts, report it to the mods.  We do not hang out in every thread 24/7 If you see any of the above, report it to the mods by hitting the Report button in the offending post.   We do not take action for foul language, off-subject content, or abusive behavior unless it escalates to persistent stalking.  There may be times that we might warn someone or flick someone for something particularly egregious.  There is no standard, we will know it when we see it.  If you continually report things that do not fall into rules #1 or 2 above, you may very well get a timeout yourself for annoying the Mods with repeated whining.  Use your best judgement. Warnings, timeouts, suspensions and flicks are arbitrary and capricious.  Deal with it.  Welcome to anarchy.   If you are a newbie, there are unwritten rules to adhere to.  They will be explained to you soon enough.  


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  1. USA fails to qualify for the World Cup

    That, that's my point, soccer is the global sport of abject poverty. In the USA, it's often the sport of suburban kids trying to get a college scholarship. Our sports of poverty in the USA are basketball and football. It's also kind of amazing to see the way Latin American kids play baseball ... an old broomstick, a handful of bottle caps, they have themselves a game. No wonder they can hit so well, growing up nailing bottle caps with a broom stick ...
  2. Mexico ...

    One thing that I miss about Boothy's absence here is that there is nobody left to really boost Mexico the way he did. El Mariachi loved Mexico, he always seemed to have good stories and sometimes photos of his adventures there. But it seems that as a country, we really don't appreciate Mexico. We're right next door to one of the fucking coolest countries full of people on the planet, and the Righties hate them, and the Lefties ignore them at best. Don't get me wrong, I love Canada too, they know how to drink up there, their version of football is realistically less boring than our's and they keep sending all their best hockey talent to the USA teams so we can keep winning Stanley Cups. Their whiskey is delicious too, I don't care who says that it isn't. But ultimately, Canada is a lot like the USA. Yes, some subtle differences, but we share outlook and destiny much of the time. Mexico though ... a nation of people who actually know how to party, who love awesome music, and great booze, can make the shit out of a ceviche, home to one of the greatest continuing civilizations in the history of the planet, a national love of archaeology, and they make some of the sweetest, most gentle women the world ever gets to see. We have so much to learn from Mexicans, how to take a pace of life that doesn't murder us by degrees, how to stop and enjoy a day without worrying about what is going to happen tomorrow, how to appreciate our families, and our ancestors, how to drink without necessarily busting the joint up, how to smoke some herb without necessarily drowning ourselves in junk food and television. At some point InTheFuture, when the current anti-Mexico sentiment is done, and we can be friends like we were in the old day, maybe even tear down that ridiculous wall, and just enforce immigration by enforcing hiring laws, at that point, we'll all get to be friends again, and this stupid shitfight will be a thing of forgotten history. Viva Mexico, madre fuckers.
  3. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    Apologies if I'm using it incorrectly. To me, higher octane correlates with higher energy density. If it doesn't, then yes, use a "decrease in energy density" as the volatiles boil off.
  4. Happy Alaska Day!

    150 years ago on this day, Alaska became part of the USA, and it's been one series of hijinks after another with that krazy kold land! $7 million dollar for all that acreage, and Secretary of the Interior William Seward was generally insulted for the purchase, and the claim that $7 million for over half a million square miles, at about 2 cents an acre, was a colossal waste of tax dollars. Happy Alaska Day everyone! Next on the calendar is Baked Alaska Day, February 1.
  5. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    Yes, I think that's the right. Typically, the longer the hydrocarbon chain, the lower the vapor pressure. So something as complex as bunker oil takes a long, long time to change volume, diesel is pretty stable aside from deterioration. And then the very short hydrocarbons like butane will boil off as fast as you can let it out of the pressurized lighter, and the shortest hydrocarbon, methane, boils off almost instantly, it hates to be in liquid form at all. What took me a little while to understand fully is that gasoline is a mix of a few different hydrocarbons. The refinery mixes different fuels (depending on the season and the regulations) to make a specific type of gasoline. So as you wrote, the shorter chain butane boils off pretty fast, and the longer chain stuff, the less volatile stuff, is what you have left in the tank. But as the butane boils off, the energy of the fuel decreases, effectively leaving you with a lower octane rating, even if the octane rating of the base fuel is unchanged. But I might have the octane thing wrong. I do know that very old gasoline burns more like kerosene than butane.
  6. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    94-degrees should work, you're just using the water as a heat-sink to dump heat into, from the heat pump. Same way that 50-degree ground can be used with a heat pump to warm a building to 72-degrees. Anyway, what do you fish besides snook? I read that the snapper is getting harder to catch, is that true? Shame if it's true, that's one of my favorite fish to eat. Speaking of snook, have you ever caught one from a balcony? (I never get tired of seeing him hook one from a friggen balcony, around a tree.)
  7. Wow, Trump defeats ISIS

    So President Trump happens to be in office when one band of terrorists move operations to cheaper territory in West Africa, killing American soldiers, and that's a win? I'll bet that the families of the dead just love guys with your level of optimism. It's so dang ... refreshing.
  8. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    First off, you need a diesel for AC because your AC sucks juice like a junky. Your boat should actually have a heat pump, sitting atop all of that water, and that will work on a solar array. Air conditioning on a boat is ridiculous, but it fits the Luddistic politics of the day, like half the other outdated shit we have around us. And yes, if you need to go fifty miles a day to catch some fish, then you need some dinosaur-burner that can do it for you. There are other options of course, like not going 50 miles to catch some fish, or moving to a place that you actually like to fish, or taking your time and staying out there a few days. But yes, a fishing trip as a daily commute needs a boat that also resembles a car. And sure, using an outdated fuel system in a boat works too, and if it makes you happy to avoid the newer, cleaner stuff, then go for it. I've also been considering switching from a computer back to carbon paper and a manual typewriter, but I can't find where to plug in my USB drive on the carbon paper. Hyperbole aside, I think that tiny gasoline engines, maybe even advanced two-strokes, are going to be with us for a long time, because we already have the infrastructure for liquid fuels. And for the 5% of the time that you need your electric car, delivery van or boat to go further then the batteries and capacitors will allow, then the tiny gas engines will kick in. You'll end up buying an average of a gallon or two per month, it will be expensive, probably ten bucks a gallon or more. The air will be much cleaner, real estate near highways will become valuable because the highways will be quiet and clean. And the tiny gas engine will only need to operate at a single optimized RPM. The fuel system will be sealed, the gas engine will be the size of a loaf of bread, and most of the time it will sit there unused, because most people don't want to drive two hours every day to catch some fish.
  9. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    20 knots for 30 minutes, I guess you're a natural stinkpotter. Stick with gas, electric will never be for you, you need the noise and the smell of burnt fossils. Some people are different. For me, I can't shut down the engine fast enough. Even on my dirtbikes, if I could afford one of the electric off-road bikes from Zero, I would switch for all but cross country, it would open up a lot of new riding for me where gas isn't allowed. And electric does work, thousands of bigger boats are powered by electric with a diesel engine or even oil steam turbine making the power for the engine. A friend's schooner was repowered as an electric, he loved it. When the moved from Newfoundland to Florida, partly on the ICW, he was able to get hull speed with just a little gas generator, and once he got to Florida, the batteries alone were sufficient for most of his sailing.
  10. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    I agree, ethanol doesn't reduce our dependence on foreign oil, domestic drilling and fracturing reduces our dependence on foreign oil. And yes, unlike gasoline, ethanol is water soluble. But you'll get water in your tank by letting it "breathe" through the day too, as you already noted. As for electric propulsion, yeah, it's inferior to gas if you want to spend all afternoon zipping over a lake or through surf, but sometimes it's better than gas. Like sailors who mainly use their outboards for getting into and out of the dock and cruise home at hull speed when they're bacalmed; no need to worry about expired, watery fuel, no need to look for a fuel dock when your solar array, wind turbine and sail-gen to keep the batteries charged. And for that once a year when you need more range than your batteries can supply, just fire up a little gas generator. Lots of fishermen would do better with electric, when they run trolling speed most of way out. And anyway, the big opportunity is gas-electric with all electric engines, and an rpm-restricted, time-temp-turb optimized tiny gas engine whose only purpose is to keep the capacitors charged. That will be up to an order of magnitude more efficient than gas engines that are forced to perform across a wide range of torques and rpms. Electric doesn't give a rat's ass about that, but gas internal combustion hates it. Finally, yes, the electricity has to come from somewhere, but the whole point of electric vehicles is that they typically get their charge at night when our country is dead-nuts-money in baseload. Just megawatts upon megawatts of unneeded nighttime baseload because big nuclear, coal and some gas plants, along with some wind, don't dial back their power output too much, if at all, at night.
  11. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    The phase separation is a symptom of the larger problem of the varied vapor pressure of the gasoline. If you don't let the tank breathe through the day you get the benefit of increased power and increased fuel efficiency because your total octane isn't constantly degrading as the volatiles boil off. The way I used to think of gasoline (with or without ethanol) is a homogenous liquid with one vapor pressure. But the reality of gasoline is that it's a witch's stew of varying volatiles, some highly volatile, some with the vapor pressure only a little above water. The high volatiles boil off in hours with a well-vented tank. I'm no fan of ethanol, but I think it gets a bad reputation for different gasoline blends. In summer gasoline blends, the refinery adds less butane which has a very high vapor pressure, and winter fuel has a lot more butane which has less energy density. Ethanol has a fairly low vapor pressure, about 3x more than water, but the energy density is too low to use at 85%. At 10% though, it works well enough, it just barely accomplishes its initial goal to reduce foreign oil use. But it might be a good marine fuel because the ethanol is water soluble and it keeps the water from accumulating in the tank. You want to shitcan ethanol? Fine, sign me up, I don't like it. (But without ethanol, make sure that you avoid water in your fuel.) But the reality is that WE made this bed by collectively refusing to adopt non-gasoline and hybrid propulsion for boats. Only a few weirdos go full electric, and for every wind-loving sailor with a 9.9 horse dangling on the stern there are probably ten gold-chain wearing Hawaiian shirted stinkpotters with twin 250 horses and a firehose that sprays fuel into the beasts. We're not the enemy in this battle, blame the stinkpotters for bringing E10 and E15 to your fuel docks. And the next time you're unable to start because of water at the bottom of your tank, maybe reconsider E10.
  12. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    They don't often come with the tanks, the little tank I got for a five horse last year didn't come with it, maybe the tank folks consider that an engine component? Fuel gushing out is the problem, right? The demand valve only allows through the about that the bowls need to stay filled. I don't know how they work, because at full throttle they allow a lot of fuel through.
  13. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    The demand valve is in your fuel line, between the tank and your bulb. They tend to fail, but they're cheap, maybe just replace it? Here, I even googled it for you, http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2015/august/how-to-install-a-fuel-demand-valve.asp
  14. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    Isn't the whole point of a one way valve that the vapor pressure prevents inhaling all that much of that "moist tropical air" unless a well-meaning Normy leaves the gas cap on halfway to defeat it? Again, I'm genuinely.not the outboard expert that you are, but isn't the demand valve supposed to prevent that overflow from your tank? Maybe we should move this to Fixit Anarchy? I really believe that something is missing or broken in your wife's skiff, I know people who tilt their engines and I haven't heard of this as a problem.
  15. We Need More Ethanol In Marine Fuels

    I'm not doubting your observation, I'm doubting your condemnation of that system. On one hand you show pictures of how your pressurized tank "collapses" a little bit at some point of the day, and the pressure is reduced, on the other hand you essentially support the original post that the sealed system is always pressurized. But maybe we can discuss why you need to override the system ... does your fuel system have a vapor trap of some kind? Do you have a fuel demand valve installed? Is the bulb fat? Can you hear vapor coming through the valve into the trap when you fill the tank? Before you tilt the engine, the fuel line presumably has no air or vapor, it's filled with liquid fuel. Then you tilt it, the fuel presumably drains back into the tank, the fuel line fills with air. Then you have a pressure head in the tank, you open it up, and it pushes the fuel through. I'm no outboard expert, but isn't your demand valve supposed to prevent that?